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CO/UA Million Mile (and Beyond) Flyer Benefits, Effective Spring 2012
Feb 25, 2012, 12:26 pm
#3091
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Feb 25, 2012, 12:33 pm
#3092
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Feb 25, 2012, 12:36 pm
#3093
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and you are now #4 in line for upgrades, after GS, 1K, and Platinum. In 2011, you were #3.
Feb 25, 2012, 12:41 pm
#3094
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The same way I can ignore Plat going from #1 to number #3 it is not a million miler issue.
Feb 25, 2012, 12:43 pm
#3095
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: SEA/YVR/BLI
Programs: UA "Lifetime" Gold, AS MVPG100K, OW Emerald, HH Lifetime Diamond, IC Plat, Marriott Gold, Hertz Gold
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It's clear that many customers in the following categories are happy (or even thrilled) with their promotions, i.e.
I can only speak for myself as PMUA 1MM. I am dissatisfied and believe UA is failing to honor the lifetime benefits it promised.
UA has changed the program. This includes moving from three tiers to four, five if including the new Lifetime GS status.
The benefits of the new Premier Gold category are less than those of the previous Premier Executive. UA has eliminated the entire category that contained my lifetime benefits. IMO it's UA's responsibility to continue to honor its commitment to providing my lifetime benefits.
- bumped-up in recalculation to a lifetime status;
- CO Lifetime Silvers bumped up to Lifetime Gold;
- CO IEs' grandfathered to Lifetime 1K;
- PMUA 2MMs grandfathered to Lifetime United Club membership.
I can only speak for myself as PMUA 1MM. I am dissatisfied and believe UA is failing to honor the lifetime benefits it promised.
UA has changed the program. This includes moving from three tiers to four, five if including the new Lifetime GS status.
The benefits of the new Premier Gold category are less than those of the previous Premier Executive. UA has eliminated the entire category that contained my lifetime benefits. IMO it's UA's responsibility to continue to honor its commitment to providing my lifetime benefits.
Feb 25, 2012, 12:46 pm
#3096
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It's clear that many customers in the following categories are happy (or even thrilled) with their promotions, i.e.
I can only speak for myself as PMUA 1MM. I am dissatisfied and believe UA is failing to honor the lifetime benefits it promised.
- bumped-up in recalculation to a lifetime status;
- CO Lifetime Silvers bumped up to Lifetime Gold;
- CO IEs' grandfathered to Lifetime 1K;
- PMUA 2MMs grandfathered to Lifetime United Club membership.
I can only speak for myself as PMUA 1MM. I am dissatisfied and believe UA is failing to honor the lifetime benefits it promised.
Please forgive me, I do not understand the rest of your post.
Feb 25, 2012, 12:56 pm
#3097
Join Date: Nov 2002
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Please forgive me, I do not understand the rest of your post.
Ok, challenge for those that keep old records. When the MM program was started what were the exact benefits and stated status you got? Have they ever changed before this merger? If they have changed even one little bit then shouldn't the people who earned it at a different time be complaining bitterly that the benefits they earned changed? Unless they were improved. I don't know the answer so I am asking. Have they ever changed before?
Perhaps others can offer more thorough (and accurate) information.
Last edited by Fredd; Feb 25, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Feb 25, 2012, 12:58 pm
#3098
Join Date: Jun 2008
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Again, from Randy's InsideFlyer September 2011 editorial:
"We have no grandiose idea that we belong in and among the Global Services membership"
So even though the new top tier of GS is attainable by means of 4MM EQMs, it is not on a year-to-year basis attainable by EQMs alone.
Feb 25, 2012, 1:07 pm
#3099
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No, they are not the same. And the benefits for PE are different than they will be for PG and PP so again, they are not the same.
1P = Premier Executive = 50,000-99,999
?? = Premier Gold = 50,000-74,999
?? = Premier Platinum = 75,000-99,999
Different and as I said, I have seen nothing in any thread as to what the computer codes will be for PG and PP.
1P = Premier Executive = 50,000-99,999
?? = Premier Gold = 50,000-74,999
?? = Premier Platinum = 75,000-99,999
Different and as I said, I have seen nothing in any thread as to what the computer codes will be for PG and PP.
Feb 25, 2012, 1:13 pm
#3100
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No, they are not the same. And the benefits for PE are different than they will be for PG and PP so again, they are not the same.
1P = Premier Executive = 50,000-99,999
?? = Premier Gold = 50,000-74,999
?? = Premier Platinum = 75,000-99,999
Different and as I said, I have seen nothing in any thread as to what the computer codes will be for PG and PP.
1P = Premier Executive = 50,000-99,999
?? = Premier Gold = 50,000-74,999
?? = Premier Platinum = 75,000-99,999
Different and as I said, I have seen nothing in any thread as to what the computer codes will be for PG and PP.
Feb 25, 2012, 1:18 pm
#3101
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: ORD
Programs: UA 1K/MM, MC Life Plat, HH Gold
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But I also believe there is a key semantic difference in the CO IE situation. IE's were explicitly promised top tier, whether that top tier required 50K originally, 75K later, 100K now, or whatever K in the future, and whether that tier was called "Gold" or "Platinum," "1K," or whatever. It didn't guarantee that the benefits of the level would not change.
As an interesting historical note, Continental's Gold Elite status was pretty much the equivalent of United's Premier Executive status from the time they were both top-tier, requiring 70k or 75k to earn and giving 125% bonuses, down to where they both eventually settled at 2nd-tier status and a 50k requirement. The main difference of course being that on the CO side, earning it for life now gets you 1K status, while on the UA side we get only Premier Gold.
Feb 25, 2012, 1:20 pm
#3102
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Good luck with that. Did they give you 2nd tier status when they added the GS program? There is more of an argument that you get 2nd (From lowest) tier status (*G for life)..
If you're one of the people who got MM the 'old way' entirely, chances are decent that you have a considerable # of additional EQM to bump you up to at least spitting distance of 2MM, which, aside from the 25% less RDM, is considerably better than 1P (fee waivers all around) and priority above 1Ps. Same goes for the close-to-2MMs who will be a lot closer to lifetime 1K.
If you're one of the people who got MM the 'old way' entirely, chances are decent that you have a considerable # of additional EQM to bump you up to at least spitting distance of 2MM, which, aside from the 25% less RDM, is considerably better than 1P (fee waivers all around) and priority above 1Ps. Same goes for the close-to-2MMs who will be a lot closer to lifetime 1K.
I think many were under the impression the recalibration would be a windfall for true MMilers. I thought so myself. I don't know what was in my head, but I thought it would at least be another million miles, but ended up being half of that. Think abt this, for someone to fly an actual million miles, the odds of flying a significant # of miles on another airline is slim. And for those like myself, when I couldn't fly UA, I would fly BA (over a million miles). Had I know this craziness would happen I would have flown an inferior LH (I hate FC on upper deck).
PMUA MMilers Have been downgraded, after recalibration, I'm 2MMiler, but feel my benefits haven't changed. I feel like I remained the same. What a bunch of idiots.
UG
Feb 25, 2012, 1:26 pm
#3103
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Hello entropy,
I think many were under the impression the recalibration would be a windfall for true MMilers. I thought so myself. I don't know what was in my head, but I thought it would at least be another million miles, but ended up being half of that. Think abt this, for someone to fly an actual million miles, the odds of flying a significant # of miles on another airline is slim. And for those like myself, when I couldn't fly UA, I would fly BA (over a million miles). Had I know this craziness would happen I would have flown an inferior LH (I hate FC on upper deck).
PMUA MMilers Have been downgraded, after recalibration, I'm 2MMiler, but feel my benefits haven't changed. I feel like I remained the same. What a bunch of idiots.
UG
I think many were under the impression the recalibration would be a windfall for true MMilers. I thought so myself. I don't know what was in my head, but I thought it would at least be another million miles, but ended up being half of that. Think abt this, for someone to fly an actual million miles, the odds of flying a significant # of miles on another airline is slim. And for those like myself, when I couldn't fly UA, I would fly BA (over a million miles). Had I know this craziness would happen I would have flown an inferior LH (I hate FC on upper deck).
PMUA MMilers Have been downgraded, after recalibration, I'm 2MMiler, but feel my benefits haven't changed. I feel like I remained the same. What a bunch of idiots.
UG
Feb 25, 2012, 1:27 pm
#3104
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Chicago USA
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It's clear that many customers in the following categories are happy (or even thrilled) with their promotions, i.e.
I can only speak for myself as PMUA 1MM. I am dissatisfied and believe UA is failing to honor the lifetime benefits it promised.
UA has changed the program. This includes moving from three tiers to four, five if including the new Lifetime GS status.
The benefits of the new Premier Gold category are less than those of the previous Premier Executive. UA has eliminated the entire category that contained my lifetime benefits. IMO it's UA's responsibility to continue to honor its commitment to providing my lifetime benefits.
- bumped-up in recalculation to a lifetime status;
- CO Lifetime Silvers bumped up to Lifetime Gold;
- CO IEs' grandfathered to Lifetime 1K;
- PMUA 2MMs grandfathered to Lifetime United Club membership.
I can only speak for myself as PMUA 1MM. I am dissatisfied and believe UA is failing to honor the lifetime benefits it promised.
UA has changed the program. This includes moving from three tiers to four, five if including the new Lifetime GS status.
The benefits of the new Premier Gold category are less than those of the previous Premier Executive. UA has eliminated the entire category that contained my lifetime benefits. IMO it's UA's responsibility to continue to honor its commitment to providing my lifetime benefits.
EXACTLY. I assumed the issues here was about LIFETIME benefits.
I'm talking about the new MM rules. I feel that by being a 2MM with recal in the new MP, I have not changed from the old MM.
Last edited by iluv2fly; Feb 25, 2012 at 1:31 pm Reason: merge
Feb 25, 2012, 1:28 pm
#3105
Join Date: Dec 2010
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Sorry but that is not an intellectually honest answer. You argue you were demoted and I am asking a question relevant to whether such a claim is true. You can't claim it is all about tier levels without showing that tier levels were even relevant in the old program. My question is precisely that. Were tier levels relevant? If so then you should be able to give a cogent answer to my question. If not then while I sympathize with your annoyance it really is just pouting.