Motion Passed - Posts Count in All FT Forums
Jan 5, 2012, 9:49 pm
#61
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I agree with the few prior posters who ask why count ANY posts at all? Other than perhaps the first 180 (or whatever it takes to get into CC) why are post counts even listed? Who cares? Do you award some kind of prizes for the most? Drop post counts entirely, then you will never have to deal (over and over and over) with this trivia any more.
Jan 5, 2012, 10:22 pm
#62
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So before I made this motion, I consulted Cholula on this topic. I'm not going to speak for him, but I'm comfortable with making this proposal.
Jan 5, 2012, 11:05 pm
#63
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I agree with the few prior posters who ask why count ANY posts at all? Other than perhaps the first 180 (or whatever it takes to get into CC) why are post counts even listed? Who cares? Do you award some kind of prizes for the most? Drop post counts entirely, then you will never have to deal (over and over and over) with this trivia any more.
Surely there are bigger fish for the TB to fry than worrying about post counting...
Jan 5, 2012, 11:37 pm
#64
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I personally don't have an issue with all posts counting if you remove the titles earned as a result of hitting xx,000 posts.
It is a shame the motion didn't conjoin these two issues.
It is a shame the motion didn't conjoin these two issues.
Jan 6, 2012, 12:13 am
#65
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I agree with the few prior posters who ask why count ANY posts at all? Other than perhaps the first 180 (or whatever it takes to get into CC) why are post counts even listed? Who cares? Do you award some kind of prizes for the most? Drop post counts entirely, then you will never have to deal (over and over and over) with this trivia any more.
Jan 6, 2012, 1:10 am
#66
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Jan 6, 2012, 1:34 am
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You Can't Teach a Sneetch
Chalk me up as one vote for "I don't care, but it seems strange to me that TB is spending energy on this issue."
If you haven't read Dr Suess's story, here is the wikipedia summary:
If you haven't read Dr Suess's story, here is the wikipedia summary:
Sneetches are a group of vaguely avian yellow creatures who live on a beach. Some Sneetches have a green star on their bellies, and in the beginning of the story the absence of a star is the basis for discrimination. Sneetches who have stars on their bellies are part of the "in crowd," while Sneetches without stars are shunned and consequently mopey.
In the story, a character named Sylvester McMonkey McBean, calling himself a "fix-it-up chappie," appears, driving a cart of strange machines. He offers the Sneetches without stars a chance to have them by going through his Star-On machine, for three dollars. The treatment is instantly popular, but this upsets the original star-bellied Sneetches, as they are in danger of losing their method for discriminating between Sneetches. Then McBean tells them about his Star-Off machine, costing ten dollars. The Sneetches formerly with stars happily pay the money to have them removed in order to remain special.
However, McBean does not share the prejudices of the Sneetches, and allows the recently starred Sneetches through this machine as well. Ultimately this escalates, with the Sneetches running from one machine to the next,
"until neither the Plain nor the Star-Bellies knew
whether this one was that one... or that one was this one
or which one was what one... or what one was who."
This continues until the Sneetches are penniless and McBean departs a rich man, amused by their folly. Despite his assertion that "you can't teach a Sneetch," the Sneetches learn from this experience that neither plain-belly nor star-belly Sneetches are superior, and they are able to get along and become friends.
In the story, a character named Sylvester McMonkey McBean, calling himself a "fix-it-up chappie," appears, driving a cart of strange machines. He offers the Sneetches without stars a chance to have them by going through his Star-On machine, for three dollars. The treatment is instantly popular, but this upsets the original star-bellied Sneetches, as they are in danger of losing their method for discriminating between Sneetches. Then McBean tells them about his Star-Off machine, costing ten dollars. The Sneetches formerly with stars happily pay the money to have them removed in order to remain special.
However, McBean does not share the prejudices of the Sneetches, and allows the recently starred Sneetches through this machine as well. Ultimately this escalates, with the Sneetches running from one machine to the next,
"until neither the Plain nor the Star-Bellies knew
whether this one was that one... or that one was this one
or which one was what one... or what one was who."
This continues until the Sneetches are penniless and McBean departs a rich man, amused by their folly. Despite his assertion that "you can't teach a Sneetch," the Sneetches learn from this experience that neither plain-belly nor star-belly Sneetches are superior, and they are able to get along and become friends.
Jan 6, 2012, 4:00 am
#68
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Seriously... because there's no easy way to know how many of a member's posts are in Lounge, Contest, or even TB posts, currently post count means absolutely nothing tangible other than how much free time that person seems to have.
Jan 6, 2012, 5:01 am
#69
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That was my reaction when I saw the announcement as well. It boggles the mind that more than 5 people on FT even care about post counts. Even for Coupon Connection purposes, I get the idea behind it but honestly, a "bad actor" is still going to abuse CC whether he has instant access or has to wait a bit. I guess this will be an annual exercise along with whether the groundhog will see his shadow!
Jan 6, 2012, 6:34 am
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That was my reaction when I saw the announcement as well. It boggles the mind that more than 5 people on FT even care about post counts. Even for Coupon Connection purposes, I get the idea behind it but honestly, a "bad actor" is still going to abuse CC whether he has instant access or has to wait a bit. I guess this will be an annual exercise along with whether the groundhog will see his shadow!
Tell us what you'd like to see come from TB and we'll get right to discussing it. Me, I'm fulfilling some promises I made when I was debating others for the seat.
Jan 6, 2012, 6:53 am
#71
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I care and thank the TB for ruminating on this topic. But what I'd care to see is to have post counts actually mean something significant, which is why I asked in an earlier post what post counts actually mean and if/why they're important to FT. This proposal seems to say that post counts are totally insignificant, and I guess I'm not sure if that's the right message to be sending if they're going to continue being placed on our posts.
Jan 6, 2012, 7:21 am
#72
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I care and thank the TB for ruminating on this topic. But what I'd care to see is to have post counts actually mean something significant, which is why I asked in an earlier post what post counts actually mean and if/why they're important to FT. This proposal seems to say that post counts are totally insignificant, and I guess I'm not sure if that's the right message to be sending if they're going to continue being placed on our posts.
Less than 200 posts? Ok, that tells me you are either a newbie or a lurker (depending on your join date).
200-10,000 posts? That tells me you are an average FlyerTalk user.
>10,000 posts? That tells me you are either an old-timer or you have too much time on your hands (or, in some cases, both!).
>25,000 posts? That tells me you pretty much have no life.
So, really, is there a major difference between having 3,000 posts and having 6,000 posts? Not to my mind.
That being the case, why do I care if you spend most of your time here in Lounges, OMNI or in hotel and airline program threads as it's such a vague indicator to start with.
That being the case, I see no reason to single out any forum here as being not worthy of being counted. Even we OMNI trolls are FlyerTalkers every bit as much as the Lounge Lizards and the Box People are! ^
Jan 6, 2012, 7:25 am
#73
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I'm all for counting posts in all forums, or not counting posts in any forums. To me, it's the inconsistency that annoys me. If counting games become a problem in OMNI, then perhaps TB can discuss creating an OMNI-games forum.
So, even though you think most people want them to count, you're going to go against the wishes of the majority of your constituents and vote for the minority?
I'd be interested in reading Cholula's thoughts on this motion. 
Although I'm sure this will be an unpopular position, I voted against this.
Personally, I'd love to see non-mile/point related fora (such as this one even) not count towards post counts...that'll probably never happen.
I'd also like to see the "lounge threads" not count towards post counts...that'll probably never happen.
I wouldn't be as opposed to the post-count thing if we got rid of post-count based titles...but I don't really see that happening either...
Although most people, I believe, want posts in all fora to count, I've already voted against it on behalf of those that don't want them to count...
BTW - I'll be without regular internet access from now through the 17th - so I probably won't be able to read and reply to many responses on this thread...
Personally, I'd love to see non-mile/point related fora (such as this one even) not count towards post counts...that'll probably never happen.
I'd also like to see the "lounge threads" not count towards post counts...that'll probably never happen.
I wouldn't be as opposed to the post-count thing if we got rid of post-count based titles...but I don't really see that happening either...
Although most people, I believe, want posts in all fora to count, I've already voted against it on behalf of those that don't want them to count...
BTW - I'll be without regular internet access from now through the 17th - so I probably won't be able to read and reply to many responses on this thread...
Jan 6, 2012, 7:30 am
#74
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again, how can you not get rid of one letter/word threads?
at least one person got ~20K posts that way, which is why they stopped counting, right?
there must be threads on that?
not to mention OMNI is not moderated for spam the way other forums are.
at least one person got ~20K posts that way, which is why they stopped counting, right?
there must be threads on that?
not to mention OMNI is not moderated for spam the way other forums are.
Jan 6, 2012, 7:42 am
#75
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FWIW, I hope TB votes against this motion. There's absolutely no reason to include OMNI posts in the count. If we're going to count posts (I think we should stop, by the way), make sure they relate to the core of FT - travel.
I understand that some folks will argue from a standpoint of consistency, but post counts should reflect the true mission of FT. It's bad enough that lounge threads count and that we're already playing by two sets of rules. Let's not make post counts even more meaningless.
I understand that some folks will argue from a standpoint of consistency, but post counts should reflect the true mission of FT. It's bad enough that lounge threads count and that we're already playing by two sets of rules. Let's not make post counts even more meaningless.
Agree. CC posts wont make much difference in any case.
I agree with the few prior posters who ask why count ANY posts at all? Other than perhaps the first 180 (or whatever it takes to get into CC) why are post counts even listed? Who cares? Do you award some kind of prizes for the most? Drop post counts entirely, then you will never have to deal (over and over and over) with this trivia any more.
But I just dont care. We just need to know not to put any value/respect into it. I wish I could have seen the same interest in something (more) important though, like creating an Air Berlin forum etc.