Mar 12, 2017, 1:43 pm
Last edit by: muji
The Brandenburg Willy Brandt Airport was originally set to open in 2011; the opening has been postponed to October 2020.
https://simpleflying.com/berlin-bran...rport-opening/
It is being constructed adjacent to Schönefeld Airport, which it will replace.
Discussion about closing of TXL and opening of new airport BER
Jan 11, 2017, 8:05 am
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Still a huge fan of TXL -- the longer it takes to open BER, the happier my husband and I remain (with all due respect to our German friends and relatives, who are no doubt fuming at the cost overruns and inefficiencies involved in BER).
Jan 11, 2017, 4:01 pm
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Meanwhile BER actually serves a real need and there's very good justification for the effort in itself. It's just horrifically mismanaged in ways people will probably never know because the involved parties (Berlin, Brandenburg, construction firms, architects) will do their best to obfuscate the problems to avoid potential prosecution. But the voters in those states re-elected the parties responsible, so I guess they can live with the waste of resources and negative economic effects on the region.
Jan 11, 2017, 8:48 pm
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Elbphilharmonie situation was better and worse than BER in different ways. A lot of the problems with Elbphilharmonie were more obvious and it was easier to see where the issues were and how to fix them. It was worse because it's not a utilitarian building; it's a pure vanity project. So they spent all that money and time on some prestige B.S. with little real value for most people in the region.
Meanwhile BER actually serves a real need and there's very good justification for the effort in itself. It's just horrifically mismanaged in ways people will probably never know because the involved parties (Berlin, Brandenburg, construction firms, architects) will do their best to obfuscate the problems to avoid potential prosecution. But the voters in those states re-elected the parties responsible, so I guess they can live with the waste of resources and negative economic effects on the region.
Meanwhile BER actually serves a real need and there's very good justification for the effort in itself. It's just horrifically mismanaged in ways people will probably never know because the involved parties (Berlin, Brandenburg, construction firms, architects) will do their best to obfuscate the problems to avoid potential prosecution. But the voters in those states re-elected the parties responsible, so I guess they can live with the waste of resources and negative economic effects on the region.
Jan 12, 2017, 10:38 am
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Everyone waxes lyrical about the Elbphilharmonie but I just cannot share the enthusiasm, not after what happened. Sure, the acoustics are exceptional, the architecture, the concept. But the mess that whole project became is beyond a disgrace, and was paid for at the German taxpayers expense. In a country stifled with endless anal rules and regulations and a gestapo like tax system, such scandals as BER, the Elbphilharmonie and numerous others (Stuttgart Bahnhof, anyone?) are, simply, inexcusable.
Jan 12, 2017, 1:29 pm
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Everyone waxes lyrical about the Elbphilharmonie but I just cannot share the enthusiasm, not after what happened. Sure, the acoustics are exceptional, the architecture, the concept. But the mess that whole project became is beyond a disgrace, and was paid for at the German taxpayers expense. In a country stifled with endless anal rules and regulations and a gestapo like tax system, such scandals as BER, the Elbphilharmonie and numerous others (Stuttgart Bahnhof, anyone?) are, simply, inexcusable.
Jan 12, 2017, 4:02 pm
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As far as the concert yesterday went, I thought there was far too much harmony-deprived music of the avant-garde. Thankfully Beethoven came to the rescue (as he often does) at the end with number 9.
Jan 12, 2017, 4:22 pm
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Well at least you had the Beethoven to entertain you. Unfortunate that the modern music was harmony-deprived. There is plenty of modern music that isn't and harmony is often a better test of a concert hall than avant-garde music that is both less-well-known and less likely to be hurt by overly muddy acoustics.
Jan 13, 2017, 2:57 am
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There was an interesting article about the concert and the acoustic in the newspaper "Welt". It´s on German: https://www.welt.de/kultur/article16...er-anders.html
Jan 13, 2017, 6:51 am
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Jan 18, 2017, 4:35 am
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According to https://www.thelocal.de/20170117/ber...year-after-all
This seems like official confirmation of a further delay. But as the article say, it is not really a surprise!
This seems like official confirmation of a further delay. But as the article say, it is not really a surprise!
No surprise here: Berlin's new airport won't open this year (2017) after all
Berlin's much-delayed new airport has been hit by yet another setback, meaning the hub won't be ready in time for its planned opening date this year.
......
This time, the problem is the electronic doors and the sprinkler system, neither of which are working properly - meaning that the building is not safe in case of fire.
The latest problems arose over Christmas and have made it impossible to finish construction work in January as planned, according to DPA information. Completed construction in January was a prerequisite for the airport to open this year.
It is now just "20 percent ready" - a long way off the target of 80 percent completion which had been the goal for the end of last year, according to B.Z.
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Berlin's much-delayed new airport has been hit by yet another setback, meaning the hub won't be ready in time for its planned opening date this year.
......
This time, the problem is the electronic doors and the sprinkler system, neither of which are working properly - meaning that the building is not safe in case of fire.
The latest problems arose over Christmas and have made it impossible to finish construction work in January as planned, according to DPA information. Completed construction in January was a prerequisite for the airport to open this year.
It is now just "20 percent ready" - a long way off the target of 80 percent completion which had been the goal for the end of last year, according to B.Z.
.....
Jan 18, 2017, 11:06 am
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According to https://www.thelocal.de/20170117/ber...year-after-all
This seems like official confirmation of a further delay. But as the article say, it is not really a surprise!
This seems like official confirmation of a further delay. But as the article say, it is not really a surprise!
Regards
Jan 19, 2017, 3:29 am
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It's frankly incredible that there hasn't been a general outcry against this sort of wasting public money. Sure, the public is annoyed an even angry, but AFAIK nothing has changed on a regulatory/legal level.
Feb 3, 2017, 4:21 am
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further delay confirmed
It is confirmed - according to The Economist. Now opening delayed to 2018:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/econo...st-explains-18
http://www.economist.com/blogs/econo...st-explains-18