Passport reader at TLV
Apr 9, 2015, 8:53 am
#16
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I finally confirmed with an agent about the kiosks - it's the same as the kiosks for biometric Israeli passports.
Anyone with a foreign biometric e-passport can use it except for Brazilian passport holders. However, anyone who has any issues (broken laws, visa fraud, etc.) will be blocked from using it.
Anyone with a foreign biometric e-passport can use it except for Brazilian passport holders. However, anyone who has any issues (broken laws, visa fraud, etc.) will be blocked from using it.
Apr 9, 2015, 1:11 pm
#17
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I finally confirmed with an agent about the kiosks - it's the same as the kiosks for biometric Israeli passports.
Anyone with a foreign biometric e-passport can use it except for Brazilian passport holders. However, anyone who has any issues (broken laws, visa fraud, etc.) will be blocked from using it.
Anyone with a foreign biometric e-passport can use it except for Brazilian passport holders. However, anyone who has any issues (broken laws, visa fraud, etc.) will be blocked from using it.
Apr 11, 2015, 8:43 am
#19
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Used biometric kiosk today with family including 4 and 6 year olds. The agent said all could use the kiosk and, if refused, proceed directly to "crew only" desk. Everybody passed except 4 year old. Certainly saved us time as ordinary queues were long.
Apr 12, 2015, 12:31 am
#20
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For entry, works for Israeli passport holders only. (Though there are some "plans" for cross-honoring down the line with some countries such as EU passports and US GE passport holders.)
May 20, 2015, 11:47 am
#22
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17 more biometric desks
Seems that 17 more desks have opened
http://www.vosizneias.com/203994/201...urion-airport/
I have never seen the current 2 desks busy, so I think it's overkill, but we shall see..
http://www.vosizneias.com/203994/201...urion-airport/
I have never seen the current 2 desks busy, so I think it's overkill, but we shall see..
May 21, 2015, 1:47 am
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Seems that 17 more desks have opened
http://www.vosizneias.com/203994/201...urion-airport/
I have never seen the current 2 desks busy, so I think it's overkill, but we shall see..
http://www.vosizneias.com/203994/201...urion-airport/
I have never seen the current 2 desks busy, so I think it's overkill, but we shall see..
But I too have never seen a line
May 21, 2015, 2:12 am
#24
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Last time I went through I saw they had removed from one side of the departures and arrivals halls the old machines used with the card and hand "signature", I assume to make room for these 17 machines.
That's likely to create queues for those machines as they sometimes get busy. Personally I am holding off as long as possible with a biometric passport. Don't trust the security of the database at all and will only do it when it's proven secure or becomes mandatory.
That's likely to create queues for those machines as they sometimes get busy. Personally I am holding off as long as possible with a biometric passport. Don't trust the security of the database at all and will only do it when it's proven secure or becomes mandatory.
May 21, 2015, 2:25 am
#25
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It cannot be proven to be secure. On the contrary, it is provable that it can be broken into. It is mathematically axiomatic that no database can ever be 100% secure. It only needs one breakin to compromise the data of the entire population.
Last edited by mikebg; May 21, 2015 at 2:41 am
May 21, 2015, 2:25 am
#26
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Last time I went through I saw they had removed from one side of the departures and arrivals halls the old machines used with the card and hand "signature", I assume to make room for these 17 machines.
That's likely to create queues for those machines as they sometimes get busy. Personally I am holding off as long as possible with a biometric passport. Don't trust the security of the database at all and will only do it when it's proven secure or becomes mandatory.
That's likely to create queues for those machines as they sometimes get busy. Personally I am holding off as long as possible with a biometric passport. Don't trust the security of the database at all and will only do it when it's proven secure or becomes mandatory.
I'm personally of the mind that Israel has all my information as it is (license is boiometric; they have biometric data including photos, DNA, and teeth samples from the IDF, etc.) so what's another passport? Besides, between data sharing arrangements, they would anyways have that info thanks to my American passport
May 21, 2015, 7:35 am
#27
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The security argument there is a bit of a red herring, they already have all the 'biometric' data, this just puts it on the passport chip. And by biometric, they don't have fingerprints or iris scans or DNA on there, its just a parameterized version of your photo. Sheesh.
May 21, 2015, 8:36 am
#28
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The security argument there is a bit of a red herring, they already have all the 'biometric' data, this just puts it on the passport chip. And by biometric, they don't have fingerprints or iris scans or DNA on there, its just a parameterized version of your photo. Sheesh.
May 21, 2015, 11:25 pm
#29
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The security argument there is a bit of a red herring, they already have all the 'biometric' data, this just puts it on the passport chip. And by biometric, they don't have fingerprints or iris scans or DNA on there, its just a parameterized version of your photo. Sheesh.