These are the questions we can answer right now...will need to come back for some of your other questions (and I'm sure you will have a lot more).
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Originally Posted by VolareBene
It says GMs will have free access. This doesn't jive with the intl EC policy. Will there be a different policy for domestic EC?
International EC and domestic/short-haul EC have slightly different access rules. GMs were added for the domestic/short-haul EC product.
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Originally Posted by realjd
Will there be free booze and free IFE? That's the big question!
Sorry, no, but there is also no change to the Intl EC offering.
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Originally Posted by TOPGUN750
I don't see anything in the press release about increasing the recline like the international EC. Will there be more recline in these domestic EC seats?
Our domestic/short-haul EC product is basically more pitch (legroom) and priority boarding.
There are a few other questions that I think I can get relatively quick responses to in this thread. Stay tuned.
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That policy is only for Medallions on full Y fares. I read the above quote as anyone (both with and without status) would have free access to EC.
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Originally Posted by DiscoPapa
The upgrade for full Y only applies to medallion members. Based on my understanding of the press release, the benefit of EC for full-fare tickets will apply to both non-medallion and medallion customers.
Thanks to you both. I had missed the fact that the full Y UG only applied to Medallions (not having been a non-Medallion for quite some time).
There are still some interesting contrasts between the domestic and international plans.
Y, B, and M can get a non-Medallion the EC seat on an international flight, but only Y on domestic.
GM's can get the EC seat for free on domestic, but only get a 50% reduction in the fee on international.
Hence, I guess, the "Similar to..." in the announcement.
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Our domestic/short-haul EC product is basically more pitch (legroom) and priority boarding.
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on not increasing the recline.
Imagine being in the row behind EC... with (possibly) reduced pitch in your normal coach seat (to provide room for the EC row pitch) and then have someone lean back into your lap even further than previously.
A grim prospect.
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I guess my decision to go for GM this year will pay off
Also, I don't know what everyone is talking about with "upgrades to EC." It's not an upgrade. Think of it as a preferred seat. If you're upgraded, you go to F.
I wonder if they will make the AVOD movies free for EC passengers on transcon flights.
The 752s that run from JFK to SFO and LAX already have EC, and the IFE is free. It hasn't been an advertised benefit and until now the seats were free for Medallions if you knew which ones to pick. This expansion of the program monetizes them.
These planes fly international so it may not be worth the trouble for DL to reconfigure the IFE on domestic legs, but on purely domestic planes with IFE that may not be the case.
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Originally Posted by amolkold
I guess my decision to go for GM this year will pay off
Also, I don't know what everyone is talking about with "upgrades to EC." It's not an upgrade. Think of it as a preferred seat. If you're upgraded, you go to F.
Yes but it might be washed by the reduction in F seats on the 90 and 320. EC is a good consolation prize but FC is the goal.
Now that it's public, here are some fleet details (first/economy becomes first/Economy Comfort/economy):
DC-9-50: 16/109 (125) becomes 16/14/90 (120)
MD-88: 16/133 (149) becomes 16/15/118 (149) currently transitioning from 14/128 (142) by removing rear galley
MD-90: 16/144 (160) becomes 12/15/134 (161)
737-700: 12/112 (124) becomes 12/18/88 (118)
737-800: 16/144 (160) becomes 16/18/126 (160)
A319: 12/114 (126) becomes 12/18/102 (132) +6 seats being added separately, note that Northwest configuration was 16/108 (124)
A320: 16/132 (148) becomes 12/18/120 (150)
757-200: too many variations to list, but between 18 and 26 Economy Comfort seats
757-300: 24/200 (224) becomes 24/23/177 (224)
767-300: 30/231 (261) becomes 30/28/203 (261)
So on the 319 they have 57 x -4 FC seats = a reduction of 228 FC seats
and on the 90 they have 26 of them losing 2 FC seat each = for a reduction of 52 FC seats. Total Domestic FC seat reduction = 280.
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These are the questions we can answer right now...will need to come back for some of your other questions (and I'm sure you will have a lot more).
International EC and domestic/short-haul EC have slightly different access rules. GMs were added for the domestic/short-haul EC product.
Sorry, no, but there is also no change to the Intl EC offering.
Our domestic/short-haul EC product is basically more pitch (legroom) and priority boarding.
There are a few other questions that I think I can get relatively quick responses to in this thread. Stay tuned.
Thanks SMI!
Here is a big question thats being tossed around...does EC affect in any way the complimentary upgrade structure? Does a FO who purchased EC have priority over a PM that wasn't able to select EC for free? (and a myriad of other similar scenarios..)
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To me, the scary thing that was not mentioned in the original announcement is the loss of FC seats on some aircraft, such as the 320. Reducing the number of FC seats from 16 to 12 was bad enough on the 319. I consider this a bad sign.
