717 and 737-900ER seat maps now available
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With a 30" pitch for some of Y, it looks like a plane to avoid for longer flights.
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Interesting that, at least according to seat guru, Delta removed two rows from the setup that airtran had in Y. I supposed to accommodate EC, and maybe the closet which does not appear on the seat guru map (but maybe its just not displayed)?
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Air...ng_717-200.php
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Air...ng_717-200.php
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Interesting that, at least according to seat guru, Delta removed two rows from the setup that airtran had in Y. I supposed to accommodate EC, and maybe the closet which does not appear on the seat guru map (but maybe its just not displayed)?
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Air...ng_717-200.php
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Air...ng_717-200.php
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Interesting that, at least according to seat guru, Delta removed two rows from the setup that airtran had in Y. I supposed to accommodate EC, and maybe the closet which does not appear on the seat guru map (but maybe its just not displayed)?
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Air...ng_717-200.php
http://www.seatguru.com/airlines/Air...ng_717-200.php
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#38
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The 739 has the same width for each respective class, and EC has the same pitch; but Y is now 30-31" and F is 37" pitch.
F:Y is 20 F 160 Y, which is down from the 22 24 or 26 F to ~160 Y (+/- a few seats).
#39
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I really like the "solo" seat in the exit row on the 717. Great when traveling alone. Had it on the MD-90 a few times. Also like seeing the extra legroom seats in the exit row (Row 21 for both layouts) with no seat in front in Row 20. Hope to see these birds on some of the common routes I fly.
But still a better F/Y ratio than other similar aircraft in the fleet.
737-900: 20F of 180 total seats: 11%
737-800: 16F of 160 total seats: 10%
757-200: Averages around 12-13% depending on the exact layout.
757-300: 24F out of 224 total seats: 11%
717: 12F of 110 total seats: 11%
MD-88: 16F out of 149 seats: 11%
MD-90: 16F out of 160 seats: 10%
DC-9: 16F out of 120 total seats: 13%
So a slight loss but really you can't add just one or two more F seats - you have to add a whole a row of four, which comes at a significant loss of seats in the back. Also, the ratio of EC (at least at a quick glance), especially for the 737-900, looks to be an improvement.
737-900: 20F of 180 total seats: 11%
737-800: 16F of 160 total seats: 10%
757-200: Averages around 12-13% depending on the exact layout.
757-300: 24F out of 224 total seats: 11%
717: 12F of 110 total seats: 11%
MD-88: 16F out of 149 seats: 11%
MD-90: 16F out of 160 seats: 10%
DC-9: 16F out of 120 total seats: 13%
So a slight loss but really you can't add just one or two more F seats - you have to add a whole a row of four, which comes at a significant loss of seats in the back. Also, the ratio of EC (at least at a quick glance), especially for the 737-900, looks to be an improvement.
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So a slight loss but really you can't add just one or two more F seats - you have to add a whole a row of four, which comes at a significant loss of seats in the back. Also, the ratio of EC (at least at a quick glance), especially for the 737-900, looks to be an improvement.
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You can't add 1 F seat maybe but you can definitely add a half row; look at row 10 on the 737-900. Instead of a half row of EC it could be a half-row of F. By the same token they could have made the closet instead of 2 FC seats and had a complete row 10. So thanks to DL for that!
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You may think it's that easy but the impact of making row 10 two FC seats instead of EC could be more than you think, as it becomes a snowball effect up to the exit row seats and their alignment with the exits, which is fixed. Unless there's a lot of extra room in Row 10 (and I'll admit, sometimes there is a huge amount of extra legroom in the first row of EC on some aircraft), two more FC seats would impact where EC actually starts. FC seats have 37" of legroom which already tight so you can't really compress the FC seats forward any further. EC seats have certain legroom (34") and you can't compress those. Standard Y seats are 30-31" so they're as tight as you can get as well. You could adjust the amount of EC and Y seats (add more or less EC to get proper alignment), but adjusting the ratios of F to EC to Standard Y would be a little more difficult than you think and is as much a practical decision as it is a revenue-based one.
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I really like the "solo" seat in the exit row on the 717. Great when traveling alone. Had it on the MD-90 a few times. Also like seeing the extra legroom seats in the exit row (Row 21 for both layouts) with no seat in front in Row 20. Hope to see these birds on some of the common routes I fly.
But still a better F/Y ratio than other similar aircraft in the fleet.
737-900: 20F of 180 total seats: 11%
737-800: 16F of 160 total seats: 10%
757-200: Averages around 12-13% depending on the exact layout.
757-300: 24F out of 224 total seats: 11%
717: 12F of 110 total seats: 11%
MD-88: 16F out of 149 seats: 11%
MD-90: 16F out of 160 seats: 10%
DC-9: 16F out of 120 total seats: 13%
So a slight loss but really you can't add just one or two more F seats - you have to add a whole a row of four, which comes at a significant loss of seats in the back. Also, the ratio of EC (at least at a quick glance), especially for the 737-900, looks to be an improvement.
But still a better F/Y ratio than other similar aircraft in the fleet.
737-900: 20F of 180 total seats: 11%
737-800: 16F of 160 total seats: 10%
757-200: Averages around 12-13% depending on the exact layout.
757-300: 24F out of 224 total seats: 11%
717: 12F of 110 total seats: 11%
MD-88: 16F out of 149 seats: 11%
MD-90: 16F out of 160 seats: 10%
DC-9: 16F out of 120 total seats: 13%
So a slight loss but really you can't add just one or two more F seats - you have to add a whole a row of four, which comes at a significant loss of seats in the back. Also, the ratio of EC (at least at a quick glance), especially for the 737-900, looks to be an improvement.
A319: 12F out of 126 total seats: 9.5%
A320: 12F out of 150 total seats: 8%
737-700: 12F out of 124 total seats: 9.7%
The 739ER F/Y ratio isn't that bad. Not as good as the 757s, but better than the Airbus narrowbodies, 73G/738, and the MD-90. I remember some people worrying that DL would go with a 16F layout on the 739ER (considering US Airways has 16F on its A321s, with American likely to follow); luckily that didn't happen.
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