Dedicated Flat Bed Routes and domestic lie-flat / flat bed routes
Aug 2, 2013, 8:37 pm
#61
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The only routes in the continental U.S. with regularly scheduled flat bed service are JFK-LAX/SFO/SEA (and returns). Among these three routes, only those flights operated with 767-300ER (76W) aircraft will have flat beds until the 757-200 (75E) fleet has been retrofitted with new BusinessElite cabins.
Delta hasn't announced any plans for domestic BusinessElite service to PDX.
Delta hasn't announced any plans for domestic BusinessElite service to PDX.
Aug 2, 2013, 8:50 pm
#62
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True, you'll sometimes encounter internationally-configured aircraft on "ordinary" domestic routes as said aircraft are repositioned throughout the system. The hard product is BusinessElite, as you know, but the soft product is standard domestic first class and the flat beds are by no means guaranteed.
Jan 14, 2014, 8:57 am
#64
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SEA-PVG
We just flew on a refurbished A330-200 (3L2) from SEA-PVG in BE. The new flat-beds were very comfortable. We didn't have any major complaints.
FYI - We were in the C-G middle seats, and I think they are the best seats for two people traveling together in BE on the 3L2.
FYI - We were in the C-G middle seats, and I think they are the best seats for two people traveling together in BE on the 3L2.
Jan 17, 2014, 4:26 pm
#65
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We just flew on a refurbished A330-200 (3L2) from SEA-PVG in BE. The new flat-beds were very comfortable. We didn't have any major complaints.
FYI - We were in the C-G middle seats, and I think they are the best seats for two people traveling together in BE on the 3L2.
FYI - We were in the C-G middle seats, and I think they are the best seats for two people traveling together in BE on the 3L2.
Jan 20, 2014, 8:16 pm
#67
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We're flying SEA-AMS on a 3L2 in a couple of months. Looking at the photos I can find online, it looks like the middle seats are a little too far apart for comfortable conversation, so I selected 4J and 5J. Your post has me questioning this. Were you close enough to chat without shouting?
IMO it's much better than having to lean into the aisle, or behind you. I'd pick the same seats if I did it again.
Jan 20, 2014, 8:45 pm
#68
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They really aren't that far apart, no shouting required. You have to lean over a little but to talk, but it's nothing that makes you uncomfortable. (We did it for 13 hours without a problem..twice!) IMO it's much better than having to lean into the aisle, or behind you. I'd pick the same seats if I did it again.
IMO it's much better than having to lean into the aisle, or behind you. I'd pick the same seats if I did it again.
Jan 21, 2014, 12:48 am
#69
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Not sure if it has been mentioned, but
Daily AMS-BOS-AMS (flights 230 and 231) is now "lie-flat" (since the beginning of the year), on a modified A330-300.
Daily AMS-BOS-AMS (flights 230 and 231) is now "lie-flat" (since the beginning of the year), on a modified A330-300.
Jan 21, 2014, 1:35 pm
#70
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So, lie-flat means "BusinessElite" on JFK-SEA or SFO or LAX and on all int'l flights. Right?
If it's on other domestic flights (or not on JFK-SEA or SFO or LAX), it's still "Domestic First."
If it's not on international flights, it's just "Business."
By jove, I think I've got it.
If it's on other domestic flights (or not on JFK-SEA or SFO or LAX), it's still "Domestic First."
If it's not on international flights, it's just "Business."
By jove, I think I've got it.
Jan 21, 2014, 2:34 pm
#71
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Well, there's the daily 777 DTW-AMS flight (which will have lie flats as a given), and then 1 or 2 daily A330-300's (depending on day of the week). Looking over the next couple of weeks, it looks like all A330-300's on the route have the upgraded cabins with lie-flats.
May 18, 2014, 11:05 pm
#72
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Currently mostly flying UA and *A but seriously considering switching domestic travel to Delta so sorry for my lack of knowledge here. I'm booking my bi-weekly trip to SEA from DC and poked around the delta site out of curiosity and noticed a few of the ATL-SEA and SEA-ATL legs on the days I checked are sold as Business not First and indicate lie flat service. Does anyone know if this means it will stay a flat bed equipped aircraft because it is sold as business? With UA there is no aircraft/seat type guarantee domestically (even on PS flights occasionally now from experience) but I wasn't sure if delta was better at sticking to it being a flat bed aircraft if it is sold and ticketed as business and indicated a lie flat aircraft at booking.
May 19, 2014, 6:08 am
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Currently mostly flying UA and *A but seriously considering switching domestic travel to Delta so sorry for my lack of knowledge here. I'm booking my bi-weekly trip to SEA from DC and poked around the delta site out of curiosity and noticed a few of the ATL-SEA and SEA-ATL legs on the days I checked are sold as Business not First and indicate lie flat service. Does anyone know if this means it will stay a flat bed equipped aircraft because it is sold as business? With UA there is no aircraft/seat type guarantee domestically (even on PS flights occasionally now from experience) but I wasn't sure if delta was better at sticking to it being a flat bed aircraft if it is sold and ticketed as business and indicated a lie flat aircraft at booking.
It's usually because the flight number is the same as an international flight #. This usually involves an aircraft change between the international and domestic legs. For example, the legs for DL 41 are LHR-MSP and MSP-SEA. LHR-MSP is operated by a 764 (international a/c with lie flat seats). MSP-SEA (at least today) is an A320 (domestic F).
May 19, 2014, 7:40 am
#74
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The flight number and designation as Business vice First has no bearing on the ATL-SEA or SEA-ATL flights having lie flat seats.
It's usually because the flight number is the same as an international flight #. This usually involves an aircraft change between the international and domestic legs. For example, the legs for DL 41 are LHR-MSP and MSP-SEA. LHR-MSP is operated by a 764 (international a/c with lie flat seats). MSP-SEA (at least today) is an A320 (domestic F).
It's usually because the flight number is the same as an international flight #. This usually involves an aircraft change between the international and domestic legs. For example, the legs for DL 41 are LHR-MSP and MSP-SEA. LHR-MSP is operated by a 764 (international a/c with lie flat seats). MSP-SEA (at least today) is an A320 (domestic F).
Feb 8, 2015, 8:48 am
#75
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Sorry to bump an older thread...
I'm particularly curious about domestic routes that have BE/Flat Beds and couldn't find a current thread. I was surprised when I booked SEA-LAX that they're doing a 757 BE configuration once a day (I booked Mar 26). Would love to know the rest of the current routes for BE configured domestic routes! (I know there's a thread for domestic widebodies.)
I'm particularly curious about domestic routes that have BE/Flat Beds and couldn't find a current thread. I was surprised when I booked SEA-LAX that they're doing a 757 BE configuration once a day (I booked Mar 26). Would love to know the rest of the current routes for BE configured domestic routes! (I know there's a thread for domestic widebodies.)