Hilton Amex no anual fee: 65,000 points [Expired]
Nov 12, 2012, 2:14 pm
#121
Join Date: Jan 2011
Posts: 104
1. The T&C say "Welcome bonus offer not available to applicants who have had this product within the last 12 months or any other Consumer Hilton HHonors™ Card from American Express® account within the last 90 days."
A Delta Amex card should not pose any problems.
2. One Citi HH and one Amex HH at the same time is doable. I did it myself 3 months ago.
A Delta Amex card should not pose any problems.
2. One Citi HH and one Amex HH at the same time is doable. I did it myself 3 months ago.
This Citi HH card? (six cards down)
Nov 13, 2012, 1:35 pm
#122
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: SJC/SFO
Posts: 295
The T&C say "Welcome bonus offer not available to applicants who have had this product within the last 12 months or any other Consumer Hilton HHonors™ Card from American Express® account within the last 90 days."
I'm a little bit confused. The T&C say " have had" but people always talk about "applied" 12 months ago will be ok.
The restriction is about application date or the closing date?
I'm a little bit confused. The T&C say " have had" but people always talk about "applied" 12 months ago will be ok.
The restriction is about application date or the closing date?
Nov 13, 2012, 2:16 pm
#123
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,634
This is the 65,000 point question.
Read literally, it means if you hold ANY Hilton Amex, you cannot get ANY OTHER Hilton Amex.
These are Amex's new T&C, and apply to all cards. They imply, for example, that if you hold a Gold card you cannot get a Platinum card. A lot of people think this must be not what they intend -- that it is 12 months since that particular card, and 90 days from APPLYING (not simply holding) a related card ("any Green/Gold/Platinum card", "any Hilton card", "any Delta card", etc.)
But if you read it literally, the T&C suggest merely holding is enough to disqualify you. This is a huge YMMV situation but there are reports of people holding one Amex card and getting approved for another, even though the T&C seem to prevent that.
Every other bank treats separate products separately--hell, you can even get the Ink Bold, Ink Plus, and Ink Cash from Chase--and Amex used to as well, so a lot of people think that the literal interpretation is incorrect. But of course, if you apply and are rejected, you have nothing to fall back on.
Read literally, it means if you hold ANY Hilton Amex, you cannot get ANY OTHER Hilton Amex.
These are Amex's new T&C, and apply to all cards. They imply, for example, that if you hold a Gold card you cannot get a Platinum card. A lot of people think this must be not what they intend -- that it is 12 months since that particular card, and 90 days from APPLYING (not simply holding) a related card ("any Green/Gold/Platinum card", "any Hilton card", "any Delta card", etc.)
But if you read it literally, the T&C suggest merely holding is enough to disqualify you. This is a huge YMMV situation but there are reports of people holding one Amex card and getting approved for another, even though the T&C seem to prevent that.
Every other bank treats separate products separately--hell, you can even get the Ink Bold, Ink Plus, and Ink Cash from Chase--and Amex used to as well, so a lot of people think that the literal interpretation is incorrect. But of course, if you apply and are rejected, you have nothing to fall back on.
Nov 13, 2012, 2:27 pm
#124
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,774
This is the 65,000 point question.
Read literally, it means if you hold ANY Hilton Amex, you cannot get ANY OTHER Hilton Amex.
These are Amex's new T&C, and apply to all cards. They imply, for example, that if you hold a Gold card you cannot get a Platinum card. A lot of people think this must be not what they intend -- that it is 12 months since that particular card, and 90 days from APPLYING (not simply holding) a related card ("any Green/Gold/Platinum card", "any Hilton card", "any Delta card", etc.)
But if you read it literally, the T&C suggest merely holding is enough to disqualify you. This is a huge YMMV situation but there are reports of people holding one Amex card and getting approved for another, even though the T&C seem to prevent that.
Every other bank treats separate products separately--hell, you can even get the Ink Bold, Ink Plus, and Ink Cash from Chase--and Amex used to as well, so a lot of people think that the literal interpretation is incorrect. But of course, if you apply and are rejected, you have nothing to fall back on.
Read literally, it means if you hold ANY Hilton Amex, you cannot get ANY OTHER Hilton Amex.
These are Amex's new T&C, and apply to all cards. They imply, for example, that if you hold a Gold card you cannot get a Platinum card. A lot of people think this must be not what they intend -- that it is 12 months since that particular card, and 90 days from APPLYING (not simply holding) a related card ("any Green/Gold/Platinum card", "any Hilton card", "any Delta card", etc.)
But if you read it literally, the T&C suggest merely holding is enough to disqualify you. This is a huge YMMV situation but there are reports of people holding one Amex card and getting approved for another, even though the T&C seem to prevent that.
Every other bank treats separate products separately--hell, you can even get the Ink Bold, Ink Plus, and Ink Cash from Chase--and Amex used to as well, so a lot of people think that the literal interpretation is incorrect. But of course, if you apply and are rejected, you have nothing to fall back on.
I believe I have read it in either this thread of the Surpass thread, that a person's experiment FAILED. Said person was able to get a 2nd HHonor card, namely the Surpass but no bonus.
The experiment seems to conclude that you would need to be "cleared" from owning any similar products in the past 12 months before you are eligible to get bonus again. Essentially this is AMEX answer to churning / double-dipping.
Nov 13, 2012, 2:29 pm
#125
Join Date: Jul 2011
Posts: 1,634
Right, I should have been clear that I meant get approved AND get the bonus. (If you don't get the bonus what point is there to getting the card? 
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But read literally, the T&C would suggest that if you currently hold a Gold card you cannot get a new Platinum card (even without the bonus). That can't be right. People do it all the time, and Amex even targets people to do it.
)But read literally, the T&C would suggest that if you currently hold a Gold card you cannot get a new Platinum card (even without the bonus). That can't be right. People do it all the time, and Amex even targets people to do it.
Nov 19, 2012, 10:56 pm
#127
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: MCO
Programs: AA 1MM, BA, UA, HH Dia, CC Gold, SPG Plat
Posts: 795
Just received my first statement and under bonus points earned it lists 900 for Hilton Family Hotel Purchases. Which is nice, except I've been nowhere near purchasing anything from Hilton....just restaurants, warehouse clubs, grocery, gas, etc... I do have one charge for $100 and one for $50 that could possibly explain a 900 equivalent, but again neither are anywhere near Hilton designated. I don't dare call in case there's a glitch, but I'm perplexed.
Nov 20, 2012, 7:14 am
#128
Join Date: Mar 2012
Location: SAN
Posts: 1,396
Just received my first statement and under bonus points earned it lists 900 for Hilton Family Hotel Purchases. Which is nice, except I've been nowhere near purchasing anything from Hilton....just restaurants, warehouse clubs, grocery, gas, etc... I do have one charge for $100 and one for $50 that could possibly explain a 900 equivalent, but again neither are anywhere near Hilton designated. I don't dare call in case there's a glitch, but I'm perplexed.
Nov 20, 2012, 10:38 am
#129
Join Date: Aug 2012
Location: Houston
Programs: HiltonH-Diamond, IHG-Plat, Hyatt-Diamond,SPG-newbie
Posts: 301
How long did it take for the 40k to post, from the date you reach your min? on or after your statement?
Nov 20, 2012, 10:50 am
#130
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: MCO
Programs: AA 1MM, BA, UA, HH Dia, CC Gold, SPG Plat
Posts: 795
Nov 20, 2012, 11:25 am
#131
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Join Date: May 2006
Location: Melbourne, Florida, USA
Posts: 2,983
Just received my first statement and under bonus points earned it lists 900 for Hilton Family Hotel Purchases. Which is nice, except I've been nowhere near purchasing anything from Hilton....just restaurants, warehouse clubs, grocery, gas, etc... I do have one charge for $100 and one for $50 that could possibly explain a 900 equivalent, but again neither are anywhere near Hilton designated. I don't dare call in case there's a glitch, but I'm perplexed.
Nov 20, 2012, 11:36 am
#132
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: MCO
Programs: AA 1MM, BA, UA, HH Dia, CC Gold, SPG Plat
Posts: 795
The statement differentiates bonus points from Hilton, supermarket, gas, and drugstore with their own line items.
Nov 20, 2012, 11:46 am
#133
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Florida
Posts: 29,774
The danger I see is some how your card might be used at HH property without your knowledge. As long as you can identify all the charges on the card are yours and no un-recognized charge on the card, I would not too worry about it. Though I am surprised AMEX system would make such mistake.
Last edited by Happy; Nov 20, 2012 at 11:54 am
Maybe the link to this app will stay available even after offer expires like the Citi AA ones
Nov 20, 2012, 4:53 pm
#135
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: California
Programs: AA EXP, lowly UA 1K; Hyatt Diamond, SPG Gold, Hilton Gold; National EC, Hertz PC
Posts: 2,215
I have the final outcome on double dipping
Applied for no-fee hilton in Jan 2012
Was told by CSR that I would qualify for SURPASS bonus since I never had a surpass and it had been over 90 days since i got my card.
Applied and was approved and met spend but I was rejected for the SURPASS bonus and finally got clarification from AMEX from a supervisor.
AMEX considers all hilton cards as one product, it doesn't matter what kind of hilton card it is, what benefits you get, or if you pay an annual fee.
In order to qualify for multiple hilton bonuses you need to have 12 months +1 day from your last application AND have the account closed for a minimum of 90 days.
you CAN NOT have ANY hilton AMEX open if you plan on double dipping.
However, if I had clicked this link to upgrade my fee-free to SURPASS, I would have gotten an additional 50k for $3k spend
http://www304.americanexpress.com/ge...Honors-Surpass
(if it doesn't show up, log into your amex account)
SO, if you want to double dip, get this card, meet the spend, get the points, then upgrade to the SURPASS for $75 annual fee and meet the new spend.
You can potentially get 115k hilton points.
Again, upgrading qualifies for the bonus points, getting a separate surpass does not
Applied for no-fee hilton in Jan 2012
Was told by CSR that I would qualify for SURPASS bonus since I never had a surpass and it had been over 90 days since i got my card.
Applied and was approved and met spend but I was rejected for the SURPASS bonus and finally got clarification from AMEX from a supervisor.
AMEX considers all hilton cards as one product, it doesn't matter what kind of hilton card it is, what benefits you get, or if you pay an annual fee.
In order to qualify for multiple hilton bonuses you need to have 12 months +1 day from your last application AND have the account closed for a minimum of 90 days.
you CAN NOT have ANY hilton AMEX open if you plan on double dipping.
However, if I had clicked this link to upgrade my fee-free to SURPASS, I would have gotten an additional 50k for $3k spend
http://www304.americanexpress.com/ge...Honors-Surpass
(if it doesn't show up, log into your amex account)
SO, if you want to double dip, get this card, meet the spend, get the points, then upgrade to the SURPASS for $75 annual fee and meet the new spend.
You can potentially get 115k hilton points.
Again, upgrading qualifies for the bonus points, getting a separate surpass does not