TSA and Breast Milk: AGAIN!!
Aug 3, 2017, 7:21 am
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TSA Breast Milk Bandits Strike Again
https://www.yahoo.com/style/1-dad-ts...162500600.html
DFW this time. What's with TSA's fetish with breast milk?
The brilliant TSA screener wouldn't even let the child have the bottle to consume the milk on the spot.
Time for a Passengers Bill of Rights!
One dad who recently went through airport security with his wife and 9-month-old child has an important question for TSA after they discarded his wife's breast milk: "Wondering why mother's milk was tossed by TSA and why they considered it 'dangerous' when we had passed though security several times with milk and had no problem before."
The brilliant TSA screener wouldn't even let the child have the bottle to consume the milk on the spot.
Time for a Passengers Bill of Rights!
Aug 3, 2017, 12:17 pm
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https://www.yahoo.com/style/1-dad-ts...162500600.html
DFW this time. What's with TSA's fetish with breast milk?
The brilliant TSA screener wouldn't even let the child have the bottle to consume the milk on the spot.
Time for a Passengers Bill of Rights!
DFW this time. What's with TSA's fetish with breast milk?
The brilliant TSA screener wouldn't even let the child have the bottle to consume the milk on the spot.
Time for a Passengers Bill of Rights!
I got a pat down by an agent (very professional, mind you)
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Aug 3, 2017, 3:16 pm
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I've noticed that TSA has stopped calling TSA screeners a highly trained, professional workforce. Wonder why it took so long for TSA to figure that out.
Aug 3, 2017, 5:47 pm
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Currently watching @TSA make a new mom cry at #ORD airport bc she didn't want to open her breast milk bags. Terrible.
and yet another one:
@RonPaul @RandPaul Thank you @TSA for destroying our infant formula before a 14 hour flight and bringing my wife and children to tears #TSA
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Aug 4, 2017, 8:28 am
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So what does TSA do these days if an object -- e.g., a bottle or bag of breast milk -- alarms the ETD? In addition to the inevitable extensive property and personal search, is the specific object automatically banned regardless of what it is?
Even if it's obviously food for a baby? That's what this case sounds like, and they even refused to let the kid drink it on the spot.
Or something else medically necessary? Or a $1000+ laptop?
That seems like one of the root problems here -- TSA/TSOs don't seem to understand that the ETD technology should be an input for where to look for issues, not a black-and-white determination if something should be confiscated.
Even if it's obviously food for a baby? That's what this case sounds like, and they even refused to let the kid drink it on the spot.
Or something else medically necessary? Or a $1000+ laptop?
That seems like one of the root problems here -- TSA/TSOs don't seem to understand that the ETD technology should be an input for where to look for issues, not a black-and-white determination if something should be confiscated.
Aug 4, 2017, 8:44 am
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The screener isn't obligated to allow an item through, even if it passes all tests. Screeners can deny any item without a specific reason.
Screeners have been trained to be particularly suspicious of opaque liquids/gels because even if they are in a clear container and pass an ETD test, they allegedly could conceal hidden dangerous items - maybe a 3" knife or a miniature gun, for example. This is why it is impossible to 'clear' a jar of peanut butter and why screeners stick their fingers in cremains: think of all the dangerous items that could be concealed by the peanut butter (or breast milk or cremains) that could be used to take control of an aircraft.
Makes you wonder how they clear cakes and muffins without breaking them up to be sure there's no hidden weapon inside like the jail-breakers used to do.
Screeners have been trained to be particularly suspicious of opaque liquids/gels because even if they are in a clear container and pass an ETD test, they allegedly could conceal hidden dangerous items - maybe a 3" knife or a miniature gun, for example. This is why it is impossible to 'clear' a jar of peanut butter and why screeners stick their fingers in cremains: think of all the dangerous items that could be concealed by the peanut butter (or breast milk or cremains) that could be used to take control of an aircraft.
Makes you wonder how they clear cakes and muffins without breaking them up to be sure there's no hidden weapon inside like the jail-breakers used to do.
Aug 4, 2017, 9:11 am
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So what does TSA do these days if an object -- e.g., a bottle or bag of breast milk -- alarms the ETD? In addition to the inevitable extensive property and personal search, is the specific object automatically banned regardless of what it is?
Even if it's obviously food for a baby? That's what this case sounds like, and they even refused to let the kid drink it on the spot.
Or something else medically necessary? Or a $1000+ laptop?
That seems like one of the root problems here -- TSA/TSOs don't seem to understand that the ETD technology should be an input for where to look for issues, not a black-and-white determination if something should be confiscated.
Even if it's obviously food for a baby? That's what this case sounds like, and they even refused to let the kid drink it on the spot.
Or something else medically necessary? Or a $1000+ laptop?
That seems like one of the root problems here -- TSA/TSOs don't seem to understand that the ETD technology should be an input for where to look for issues, not a black-and-white determination if something should be confiscated.
To deprive an infant of mothers milk is the mark of true mental midgets of which TSA seems well staffed.
In the end, Sreeners Discretion!
Aug 4, 2017, 9:35 am
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It doesn't really make sense though, does it?
A pumpkin pie or a birthday cake is 'generally' allowed through at the screener's discretion.
If the xray can penetrate pumpkin pies or birthday cakes to ensure that there isn't a large knife or explosives concealed inside, then I don't understand why the xrays can't penetrate a clear bottle of breast milk or a jar of peanut butter.
If the xrays can't penetrate pumpkin pies and birthday cakes, then why is TSA putting themselves and the flying public at risk by allowing these items through? The most intimate grope in the world and an ETD test aren't likely to reveal the presence of a large knife concealed in a pumpkin pie, and it seems to me that it's easier to conceal a large dangerous object in a pumpkin pie or a birthday cake than in a container of breast milk.
A pumpkin pie or a birthday cake is 'generally' allowed through at the screener's discretion.
If the xray can penetrate pumpkin pies or birthday cakes to ensure that there isn't a large knife or explosives concealed inside, then I don't understand why the xrays can't penetrate a clear bottle of breast milk or a jar of peanut butter.
If the xrays can't penetrate pumpkin pies and birthday cakes, then why is TSA putting themselves and the flying public at risk by allowing these items through? The most intimate grope in the world and an ETD test aren't likely to reveal the presence of a large knife concealed in a pumpkin pie, and it seems to me that it's easier to conceal a large dangerous object in a pumpkin pie or a birthday cake than in a container of breast milk.
Aug 4, 2017, 11:14 am
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TSA's ETD testing machines have a 100% false positive rate. Why these flawed devices are even allowed demonstrates how our of touch with reality TSA really is.
To deprive an infant of mothers milk is the mark of true mental midgets of which TSA seems well staffed.
In the end, Sreeners Discretion!
To deprive an infant of mothers milk is the mark of true mental midgets of which TSA seems well staffed.
In the end, Sreeners Discretion!
Aug 4, 2017, 12:57 pm
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Aug 5, 2017, 9:44 am
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TSA's War on Breast Milk Continues
https://www.yahoo.com/style/tsa-agen...164500091.html
And the bottles were less than 100 ml.
Things have gone past stupid to criminal in my opinion yet the public has nowhere to turn. Congress is impotent, DHS is part of the problem, TSA seems to have lost all control, and Public Rights groups seem unwilling to step up and lead the way.
What a sorry state of affairs for free people to have to put up with.
TSA Agents Throwing Out 1 Moms Breast Milk Isnt Even the Worst Part of Her Story
After continuing to wait for security to check the two three-ounce bottles of milk, Stacie said that she asked to speak to a supervisor while the rest of her family waited at the gate. "It almost felt like they were being vindictive at that point . . . almost a power trip or something and I don't know if they weren't trained properly with how to test it," she said. "And I had asked TSA, I said, 'Can you guys just check it because I have to get on the flight.' Like I'm my child's source of food . . . so I have to be on the same flight, otherwise we don't have a way to feed him," she told Wood TV.
Things have gone past stupid to criminal in my opinion yet the public has nowhere to turn. Congress is impotent, DHS is part of the problem, TSA seems to have lost all control, and Public Rights groups seem unwilling to step up and lead the way.
What a sorry state of affairs for free people to have to put up with.
Aug 5, 2017, 1:26 pm
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And the bottles were less than 100 ml.
Things have gone past stupid to criminal in my opinion yet the public has nowhere to turn. Congress is impotent, DHS is part of the problem, TSA seems to have lost all control, and Public Rights groups seem unwilling to step up and lead the way.
What a sorry state of affairs for free people to have to put up with.
TSA Agents Throwing Out 1 Moms Breast Milk Isnt Even the Worst Part of Her Story
And the bottles were less than 100 ml.
Things have gone past stupid to criminal in my opinion yet the public has nowhere to turn. Congress is impotent, DHS is part of the problem, TSA seems to have lost all control, and Public Rights groups seem unwilling to step up and lead the way.
What a sorry state of affairs for free people to have to put up with.
According to ABC Action News, TSA said in an emailed statement that the "officers working at the checkpoint correctly followed all procedures." They also said that Stacie passed through the metal detectors 12 minutes before her flight's departure.
Aug 5, 2017, 2:39 pm
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According to Stacie, she and her family arrived at St. Pete-Clearwater International airport an hour and a half before their flight home to Michigan, but TSA officials stopped them because of her two bottles of breast milk.
Link I asked Flies about.
http://www.abcactionnews.com/news/lo...er-breast-milk
I also see that this story originates from April 2017.
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Aug 20, 2017, 8:40 pm
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From the twitter post:
"Those bags of milk should NOT be sitting on table where God-knows what else has been placed there."
The tool case that I drag trough oily, greasy, dirty factories from coast to coast gets its time on the same tables. I have never seen them even wipe it down after they finish with my bag. And not to be too disgusting, people do not leave their roller bags outside the the restrooms or carry them in and out either. They roll them along floors that have just been mopped with strong chemicals or sprayed for vermin or insects overnight.
I work in food processing plants and there are very serious regulations for the handling of food and its containers. This meets none of them.
This may be dangerous treatment in addition to rude and inconsiderate.
"Those bags of milk should NOT be sitting on table where God-knows what else has been placed there."
The tool case that I drag trough oily, greasy, dirty factories from coast to coast gets its time on the same tables. I have never seen them even wipe it down after they finish with my bag. And not to be too disgusting, people do not leave their roller bags outside the the restrooms or carry them in and out either. They roll them along floors that have just been mopped with strong chemicals or sprayed for vermin or insects overnight.
I work in food processing plants and there are very serious regulations for the handling of food and its containers. This meets none of them.
This may be dangerous treatment in addition to rude and inconsiderate.