Pat-down conducted on 10yr old girl.
Jan 8, 2016, 3:56 pm
#136
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 962
People respond to situations in different ways and don't always know what to make of things at a time -- especially when the action is take under color of authority by government employees. People wanting evidence of a bad situation is rather natural in this day and age when physically responding to overreach by governmental agents can result in some bad consequences -- ranging from fines (up to $11,000???) to detention/arrest/assault/death by government actors.
Getting in a physical fight with government employees can result in some rather nasty outcomes, some even worse than making sure to have evidence of what transpired or at least to live to bear witness to what has transpired.
I suggest you try to find out how people subjected to torture responded when British and US government agents (inclusive of contractors with government agency) would threaten sexual assault of captives and their relatives. There are no pretty solutions when dealing with government employees that are unlikely to be held to account for excessive man-handling of people.
Getting in a physical fight with government employees can result in some rather nasty outcomes, some even worse than making sure to have evidence of what transpired or at least to live to bear witness to what has transpired.
I suggest you try to find out how people subjected to torture responded when British and US government agents (inclusive of contractors with government agency) would threaten sexual assault of captives and their relatives. There are no pretty solutions when dealing with government employees that are unlikely to be held to account for excessive man-handling of people.
Jan 8, 2016, 4:01 pm
#137
Join Date: Dec 2010
Posts: 962
What is sad that Congress has exempted federal employees from tort claims. ThE Federal Tort Claims Act has been determined over and over again to ONLY APPLY to certified law enforcement.
Courts saying yes:
George v. Rehiel, No. 10-586 (E.D. Pa. Oct. 28, 2011)
Armato v. Jane Doe 1, 2012 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 190080 (D. Ariz. May 15, 2012)
Pellegrino v. TSA 855 F. Supp. 2d 343 (ED Pa. 2012)
Pellegrino v. TSA, 2014 U.S. Dist. LEXIS 52468 (E.D. Pa. April 16, 2014)
Courts saying no:
Welch v. Huntleigh USA Corp., No. 04-663, 2005 WL 1864296 (D. Or. Aug. 4, 2005)
Coulter v DHS et al, No. 07-4894, 2008 WL 4416454 (D. NJ. Sept. 24, 2008)
Weinraub v. United States, 927 F. Supp. 2d 258, 262-63 (E.D. N.C. 2012)
Corbett v. TSA, No. 12- 20863-CV, 2012 WL 8963931, at *9-10 (S.D. Fla. Nov. 16, 2012)
Walcott v USA et al, No. 13-CV-3303 (E.D. NY. Oct. 18, 2013)
The FTCA (and related, the Westfall Act) says that if a covered person hurts you in the covered ways, then either (a) you can't sue at all, or (b) you can only sue the United States Government itself, and not the individual.
Jan 9, 2016, 6:01 am
#138
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 3,526
There are two complaints at @AskTSA about extremely aggressive pat downs, one from a woman who said the clerk "left half her hand in my groin" (this at AUS) and a man who asserts that TSA clerk "pushed my testicle into my body cavity. Not happening again."
Also, report of clerk screaming at a woman over her baby's formula.
Also, report of clerk screaming at a woman over her baby's formula.
Jan 9, 2016, 6:18 am
#139
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: RDU
Posts: 5,242
There are two complaints at @AskTSA about extremely aggressive pat downs, one from a woman who said the clerk "left half her hand in my groin" (this at AUS) and a man who asserts that TSA clerk "pushed my testicle into my body cavity. Not happening again."
Also, report of clerk screaming at a woman over her baby's formula.
Also, report of clerk screaming at a woman over her baby's formula.
Any link to these complaints? I can't find them.
Jan 9, 2016, 6:40 am
#140
Join Date: Aug 2012
Posts: 3,526
Maybe you could find them by searching for words in the quotes I gave.
Jan 9, 2016, 6:57 am
#142
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Location: RDU
Posts: 5,242
Jan 9, 2016, 7:28 am
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