Post-Paris "Flying While Brown" Syndrome Claims Its First Victims
Dec 9, 2015, 8:11 am
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ND Sol,
I understand more languages than I comfortably speak. Many people do. It's not all that rare at all for a lot of people to understand some or a lot of English but not be comfortable in trying to speak it (if at all able to speak it for conversational purposes). I'm not one of those people.
Indeed.
"And some people leave out some punctuation", from an earlier post here.
And I trust that the Sikh woman who got a Delta apology knows more about Sikhs and those who may identify with being bi-religious than most non-Sikhs and most Muslims -- even as the Twitter-heavy using generation seems to drop punctuation out more than some of us who don't use Twitter and text messages much (if at all).
I understand more languages than I comfortably speak. Many people do. It's not all that rare at all for a lot of people to understand some or a lot of English but not be comfortable in trying to speak it (if at all able to speak it for conversational purposes). I'm not one of those people.
"And some people leave out some punctuation", from an earlier post here.
And I trust that the Sikh woman who got a Delta apology knows more about Sikhs and those who may identify with being bi-religious than most non-Sikhs and most Muslims -- even as the Twitter-heavy using generation seems to drop punctuation out more than some of us who don't use Twitter and text messages much (if at all).
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Dec 9, 2015, 11:21 am
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The response of a "flying while brown" passenger going from Houston to Newark:
http://time.com/4135397/muslim-flight-detained/
A person whose family came to America to escape religious persecution and seek a better life gets persecuted for "flying while brown" from Houston. "Houston, we have a problem."
And the local FBI's response when asked about him is to keep him down as a "suspicious passenger" even when he was not found to be a threat.
http://time.com/4135397/muslim-flight-detained/
A person whose family came to America to escape religious persecution and seek a better life gets persecuted for "flying while brown" from Houston. "Houston, we have a problem."
And the local FBI's response when asked about him is to keep him down as a "suspicious passenger" even when he was not found to be a threat.
Dec 10, 2015, 5:57 am
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I know Muslim-Sikh couples who have had children. The children identify with both religions, both of which are monotheistic. Who am I to tell a Muslim Sikh that his religious identity is not what he or she claims it to be? Fortunately theocracy doesn't have a place in places where such people live: India, Canada, the U.K. and the US.
It's theocratic-supporting fundamentalists who try to dictate the religious identity/non-identity of others.
It's theocratic-supporting fundamentalists who try to dictate the religious identity/non-identity of others.
Your post is non-responsive to my inquiry. Just reread all the relevant sections and you can readily see why.
Proselytizing, halah-dhabihah slaughter requirements, male circumcision, pilgrimages and fasting are a few tenets that are in direct opposition between the religions of Islam and Sikhism. And of course it is not they who are to say, but as I noted, the religions themselves. I may identify as the King of England, but that does not make me such. But then again, "Who am [you] to tell [me] that [my royalty] identity is not what [I] claims it to be?"
Your failure to even address telling me not to "be like ISIL/Daesh", a group that would murder me without a second thought, is telling.
ND Sol,
I understand more languages than I comfortably speak. Many people do. It's not all that rare at all for a lot of people to understand some or a lot of English but not be comfortable in trying to speak it (if at all able to speak it for conversational purposes). I'm not one of those people.
I understand more languages than I comfortably speak. Many people do. It's not all that rare at all for a lot of people to understand some or a lot of English but not be comfortable in trying to speak it (if at all able to speak it for conversational purposes). I'm not one of those people.
Your action of lying behind the log by talking in "various languages" would only escalate the situation. If I didn't understand the particular "various languages" you were speaking, that would lead one to reasonably believe you did not understand the purpose of the valet tag and, as such, airline personnel would be asked to be involved.
She edited her post and still failed to change the punctuation. Especially for an attorney and TV commentator, her imprecision gives me pause for concern as to how careless she may have been with the rest of her story.
And I trust that the Sikh woman who got a Delta apology knows more about Sikhs and those who may identify with being bi-religious than most non-Sikhs and most Muslims -- even as the Twitter-heavy using generation seems to drop punctuation out more than some of us who don't use Twitter and text messages much (if at all).
You mention Twitter again, but fail to note if your false statement was intentional or just negligent.
She could have short-circuited the whole issue by just discussing it with the gate agent and none of this would have happened. Once she showed that what was in her bag was necessary to remain with her on the plane, that was the end of the story.
Dec 10, 2015, 6:37 am
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The response of a "flying while brown" passenger going from Houston to Newark:
http://time.com/4135397/muslim-flight-detained/
A person whose family came to America to escape religious persecution and seek a better life gets persecuted for "flying while brown" from Houston. "Houston, we have a problem."
http://time.com/4135397/muslim-flight-detained/
A person whose family came to America to escape religious persecution and seek a better life gets persecuted for "flying while brown" from Houston. "Houston, we have a problem."
Ahmadiyya Muslims are a heavily persecuted sect in several Muslim majority nations because of doctrinal differences. Ahmadiyya Muslims believe the Mahdi and Messiah, whom the Prophet Muhammad prophecized would reform Muslims in the latter days, has already come. Our mosques are demolished, our books banned, our men are jailed, and our women and children burned to death—all actions that are driven by the same extremism behind the Paris attacks. For this reason, many of us have safely made it to the U.S.
As for his statements, "I hope you never know what it feels like to have a group of police officers single you out. I hope you never know what it is like to be frisked while standing in front of a plane full of passengers. . . . I hope you never feel the humiliation of having your belongings confiscated out of your hands, or being surrounded by cops who refer to you as “the subject” on their walkie talkies." Yes, I do know that and have posted my experience in this forum.
Statement from Houston FBI: “However, I can confirm that FBI and Houston Police personnel were called to respond to reports of a suspicious passenger onboard a Southwest Airlines flight inbound to Houston on November 15, 2016. After further investigation, no threat was found.”
Dec 10, 2015, 9:46 am
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Even in the era where people in other parts of Texas would say Houston isn't really Texan. Do you know what a Houston police officer said to him after the incident? It wasn't so nice and should be considered a problem.
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Sounds like orders of magnitude in difference between what happens in "several Muslim majority nations" to members of his sect and what happened here.
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No, that is not what the FBI said:
Statement from Houston FBI: “However, I can confirm that FBI and Houston Police personnel were called to respond to reports of a suspicious passenger onboard a Southwest Airlines flight inbound to Houston on November 15, 2016. After further investigation, no threat was found.”
They refer to him as a suspicious passenger even after finding nothing. That is the exact quote provided even after clearing him to travel.
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Dec 10, 2015, 11:03 am
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I lived in Houston. Even in the era where people in other parts of Texas would say Houston isn't really Texan.
Do you know what a Houston police officer said to him after the incident? It wasn't so nice and should be considered a problem.
Do we really want to have those persecuting countries be the benchmark of what the US should be like and against which to compare? Comparing ourselves to Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and ISIS? Please, that's like competing in a race to the bottom.
No, it is exactly as I said:
Statement from Houston FBI: “However, I can confirm that FBI and Houston Police personnel were called to respond to reports of a suspicious passenger onboard a Southwest Airlines flight inbound to Houston on November 15, 2016. After further investigation, no threat was found.”
They refer to him as a suspicious passenger even after finding nothing. That is the exact quote provided even after clearing him to travel.
Even in the era where people in other parts of Texas would say Houston isn't really Texan. Do you know what a Houston police officer said to him after the incident? It wasn't so nice and should be considered a problem.
Do we really want to have those persecuting countries be the benchmark of what the US should be like and against which to compare? Comparing ourselves to Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and ISIS? Please, that's like competing in a race to the bottom.
No, it is exactly as I said:
Statement from Houston FBI: “However, I can confirm that FBI and Houston Police personnel were called to respond to reports of a suspicious passenger onboard a Southwest Airlines flight inbound to Houston on November 15, 2016. After further investigation, no threat was found.”
They refer to him as a suspicious passenger even after finding nothing. That is the exact quote provided even after clearing him to travel.
Dec 11, 2015, 6:58 am
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" ?No, please enlighten us with a link. Was it worse than what happened to me by HPD?
Dec 11, 2015, 12:13 pm
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I have no idea what HPD said to ND Sol. Was that the airport division? If not, not sure how it relates to this incident.
So anything but saying he wasn't a "suspicious passenger", despite finding no threat.
So anything but saying he wasn't a "suspicious passenger", despite finding no threat.
Dec 11, 2015, 1:35 pm
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And yes, it was "the airport division". That story is the subject of a very long thread in the TSS forum.
What is so difficult to understand; this is very simple. The FBI responded to reports of a suspicious passenger. They wouldn't have responded if the passenger was reported as not being suspicious.
Dec 11, 2015, 1:59 pm
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Although, I do point out that the FBI's statement is poorly written in that it indicates the passenger whom the FBI investigated was suspicious. In fact, the investigated pax was not the one who was suspicious. Rather, it was the person who called (or related his/her suspicions about the investigated pax to the person who actually called) the FBI who was suspicious about the pax who was investigated. Geez, all these suspicions and investigations - cant we all just get along?
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Dec 11, 2015, 4:45 pm
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Dec 11, 2015, 8:22 pm
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That is what they were saying when stating "after further investigating, no threat was found".