Oct 4, 2017, 2:33 pm
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AA Obligation for Awards Using AB / airberlin and NIKI / HG
as They Leave oneworld 27 Oct 2017 and AB Ceases Operations
oneworld has announced airberlin and NIKI leave oneworld
effective close of business 27 Oct 2017 link
as They Leave oneworld 27 Oct 2017 and AB Ceases Operations
oneworld has announced airberlin and NIKI leave oneworld
effective close of business 27 Oct 2017 link
airberlin filed for insolvency (bankruptcy) on 15 August 2017
airberlin discontinued longhaul operations 15 Oct 2017
- Leased A330s have been rehomed by their lessors with MH and EW
See One Mile at a Time here.
From AAdvantage Terms and Conditions (link): "Your flight awards are only valid for designated award destinations served at the time you use the ticket. In the event that American or an AAdvantage participating carrier ceases to serve a destination for which an award has been redeemed, American will redeposit the AAdvantage miles redeemed for that award into your account. (Without charging a redeposit fee - on-AA added note.)
Air Berlin long-haul shutting down completely link
POSTED BY SETH MILLER ON 25 SEPTEMBER 2017 IN NEWS, PAXEX
Air Berlin previously announced many long-haul route cuts effective over the next couple weeks. But the route network from Dusseldorf was mostly untouched. That changed today as the company set an 15 October 2017 date to wrap up the long-haul operations. (See link for more.)
POSTED BY SETH MILLER ON 25 SEPTEMBER 2017 IN NEWS, PAXEX
Air Berlin previously announced many long-haul route cuts effective over the next couple weeks. But the route network from Dusseldorf was mostly untouched. That changed today as the company set an 15 October 2017 date to wrap up the long-haul operations. (See link for more.)
• Adjustments to the airberlin schedule Link
airberlin will need to cease its long-haul flight operations by 15 October 2017, as the aircraft leasing companies are gradually withdrawing their Airbus A330 jets. The connection between Dusseldorf and Los Angeles has therefore been discontinued by 25 September 2017. Further cancellations will follow on 16 October 2017. On 29 September 2017, airberlin will discontinue services between Hamburg and Munich and between Cologne/Bonn and Munich.
• What long-haul flights will airberlin continue to operate and for how long?
airberlin will not operate to the Caribbean from Dusseldorf from 25 September 2017. This means that from that date, flights to Curaçao (the Netherlands Antilles), Cancun (Mexico), Havana and Varadero (Cuba) as well as Punta Cana and Puerto Plata (Dominican Republic) will be cancelled.
The connections between Berlin and Abu Dhabi, Chicago, Los Angeles and San Francisco, as well as from Dusseldorf to Boston and Orlando will also be cancelled from 25 September 2017. airberlin regrets the inconvenience caused by these cancellations.
• Will the flight operation be continued by airberlin / NIKI?
Yes, the flight operations will continue. The published airberlin / NIKI schedule is valid. airberlin and NIKI will carry out the flights as published. Should changes be necessary, e.g. for operational reasons, we will inform accordingly.
• Is NIKI also insolvent?
No, as per August 15th 2017 NIKI is not affected by the insolvency. It is not intended for NIKI to file for insolvency. The flight operations will continue as planned.
(Be sure to watch for the status of NIKI as a one world affiliate and AA partner airline.)
(For passengers who booked their plane ticket directly with airberlin, the following applies: for tickets purchased after the insolvency filing on 15 August 2017, we will reimburse the purchase price free of charge. Passengers affected may submit any additional costs incurred via the website www.airberlin.com/complaint. Tickets that were booked before the insolvency filing cannot currently be reimbursed due to insolvency regulations. Rebookings on other airlines are not possible. - see link above or the FT airberlin forum)
Status: 28. September 2017
airberlin will need to cease its long-haul flight operations by 15 October 2017, as the aircraft leasing companies are gradually withdrawing their Airbus A330 jets. The connection between Dusseldorf and Los Angeles has therefore been discontinued by 25 September 2017. Further cancellations will follow on 16 October 2017. On 29 September 2017, airberlin will discontinue services between Hamburg and Munich and between Cologne/Bonn and Munich.
• What long-haul flights will airberlin continue to operate and for how long?
airberlin will not operate to the Caribbean from Dusseldorf from 25 September 2017. This means that from that date, flights to Curaçao (the Netherlands Antilles), Cancun (Mexico), Havana and Varadero (Cuba) as well as Punta Cana and Puerto Plata (Dominican Republic) will be cancelled.
The connections between Berlin and Abu Dhabi, Chicago, Los Angeles and San Francisco, as well as from Dusseldorf to Boston and Orlando will also be cancelled from 25 September 2017. airberlin regrets the inconvenience caused by these cancellations.
• Will the flight operation be continued by airberlin / NIKI?
Yes, the flight operations will continue. The published airberlin / NIKI schedule is valid. airberlin and NIKI will carry out the flights as published. Should changes be necessary, e.g. for operational reasons, we will inform accordingly.
• Is NIKI also insolvent?
No, as per August 15th 2017 NIKI is not affected by the insolvency. It is not intended for NIKI to file for insolvency. The flight operations will continue as planned.
(Be sure to watch for the status of NIKI as a one world affiliate and AA partner airline.)
Status: 28. September 2017
AA award obligation as airberlin / NIKI depart oneworld / cease operations
Sep 28, 2016, 8:55 pm
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I'm not sure I entirely understand how 38 A320s on ACMI lease to LH will help, other than they'll be able to rid themselves of routes that lose them money. AB still has to compete with Eurowings, Ryanair et al.
Sep 30, 2016, 9:27 am
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This may be as perfect a time to get in on a status match with AB as any.
Oct 17, 2016, 11:02 pm
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One of the key factors not mentioned is the policy of booking you on next available space. For me that was 47 hours later, four days into my other reservations.
As an EXP, AA booked me on other partners, but I lost 2 days. And flew coach, as waiting for anything else would have been at least another week.
As an EXP, AA booked me on other partners, but I lost 2 days. And flew coach, as waiting for anything else would have been at least another week.
Oct 20, 2016, 12:25 pm
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I don't think that an airline not flagged in EU country can buy any EU flagged airline.
Turkish Airline tried to buy Polish LOT few years ago and was rejected because of that EU rule.
Oct 20, 2016, 1:14 pm
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Oct 20, 2016, 1:15 pm
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Whoa, so what about IAG? Where is it flagged, and if in the UK, how will Brexit affect its ability to do anything like this if it wanted to?
Oct 20, 2016, 1:46 pm
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IAG is a Spanish registered company with its corporate HQ in London and listed on the London and Madrid stock exchanges.
How Brexit might affect IAG's corporate status (if at all) will depend entirely on the outcome of the Brexit negotiations.
Oct 22, 2016, 9:30 pm
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FYI:
http://aviationweek.com/awincommerci...ses-us-partner
http://www.aero.de/news-25278/Americ...ir-Berlin.html
http://www.tt.com/home/12164834-91/a...nes-bangen.csp
The end is nigh...
Should be interesting for those holding award seats on airBerlin... (that would include me).
http://www.aero.de/news-25278/Americ...ir-Berlin.html
http://www.tt.com/home/12164834-91/a...nes-bangen.csp
The end is nigh...
Should be interesting for those holding award seats on airBerlin... (that would include me).
Oct 24, 2016, 11:22 am
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I'm led to believe that AB's situation is -extremely- critical. However, also it is indicated that it is far more likely they get absorbed rather than close up shop Malev-style.
I personally do believe that the days of AB as a stand-alone carrier (and for that matter, a member of OneWorld) are very numbered.
And, anecdotal evidence from deep within AA, indicate to some far more knowledgeable than I that preparations for such a change are already in the preliminary stages at AA.
I personally do believe that the days of AB as a stand-alone carrier (and for that matter, a member of OneWorld) are very numbered.
And, anecdotal evidence from deep within AA, indicate to some far more knowledgeable than I that preparations for such a change are already in the preliminary stages at AA.
Aug 15, 2017, 8:51 am
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AB->AA award opportunity?
Thinking out loud as someone who doesn't have many AA miles left ... given today's AB news and the plausible outcome that AB disappears in a few months, does it make sense for elites (with free cancellations available) frustrated by the lack of AA award availability to make reservations using their AA miles for AB reservations? If AB does go under, AA would presumably have to open up space on their own metal for the same routes, no?
Aug 15, 2017, 8:59 am
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Thinking out loud as someone who doesn't have many AA miles left ... given today's AB news and the plausible outcome that AB disappears in a few months, does it make sense for elites (with free cancellations available) frustrated by the lack of AA award availability to make reservations using their AA miles for AB reservations? If AB does go under, AA would presumably have to open up space on their own metal for the same routes, no?
Aug 15, 2017, 9:16 am
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I'm led to believe that AB's situation is -extremely- critical. However, also it is indicated that it is far more likely they get absorbed rather than close up shop Malev-style.
I personally do believe that the days of AB as a stand-alone carrier (and for that matter, a member of OneWorld) are very numbered.
And, anecdotal evidence from deep within AA, indicate to some far more knowledgeable than I that preparations for such a change are already in the preliminary stages at AA.
I personally do believe that the days of AB as a stand-alone carrier (and for that matter, a member of OneWorld) are very numbered.
And, anecdotal evidence from deep within AA, indicate to some far more knowledgeable than I that preparations for such a change are already in the preliminary stages at AA.
Also, this graphic is pretty interesting:
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Aug 15, 2017, 9:56 am
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Probably even more preparations goin' on now.
Also, this graphic is pretty interesting:
https://twitter.com/winglets747/stat...28538705367040
Also, this graphic is pretty interesting:
https://twitter.com/winglets747/stat...28538705367040
Summary: Etihad "pulled their financial plug" due to "operations deteriorated at an 'unprecedented pace' in recent months". A €150 million bridging loan, expected to carry airberlin through perhaps November has been made. Lufthansa is interested in "purchasing parts of airberlin", Nikki may have to go elsewhere due to trust concerns. Ryanair has also expressed interest.
If either buyout offer is accepted, it would be reasonable to expect "auf wiedersehen, oneworld".