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This thread discusses changes to the combined carrier's meal policy. On Friday, 14 Nov 2014, the following e-mail was sent to AAdvantage frequent flyers:


this after an apparent record of the percentage of complaints received in response to earlier announcements (80% of complaints were about the meal cutbacks),

On Monday, August 4th, 2014, American and US Airways both announced their plans for the final aligned meal service effective September 1st, 2014 for both carriers. This Wiki will touch upon in detail the new meal windows, parameters, and what to expect moving forward.

MEAL WINDOWS:

Up to 699 miles (under 2 hours):
Enjoy a light snack such as a fig bar, cookies or pretzels.

700-999 miles (2 – 2:45 hours)
A heartier selection of snacks such as sandwiches and fresh fruit is served on most flights (Lite Bites), with exceptions (see below).

1,000 – 1,298 miles (2:45 – 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy warmed mixed nuts, followed by a three-course meal including a warm cookie for dessert.

1,299+ miles (over 3:30 hours)*
Enjoy an appetizer paired with your entrée followed by cake for dessert. On flights over 2,200 miles and over 4:30 hours, you'll also receive a choice of dessert – specialty ice cream or a fruit and cheese plate. Redeye flights in the category of 2,200 miles and above will have a snack basket to begin, then will receive an arrival continental breakfast box. (This does not apply to A321 transcons, listed below.)

*There is no meal service on flights that depart after 8:00pm, only beverages and a snack basket. There is also no meal service on flights that depart before 5:00am.

CERTAIN MARKETS:

A321 Transcontinental Service (JFK-LAX/SFO):

  • Refreshing fruit or cucumber-infused water or sparkling wine
  • Warm mixed nuts followed by a three-course meal, with a choice of our signature customized sundae or seasonal fruit and cheese
  • A snack served shortly before arrival

Note: This focuses specifically on A321 transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO), although some members has clarified that LAX-MIA will continue to receive the same level of service. This still remains to be seen.

Hawaiian Flights:

Between Hawaii and DFW/ORD:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Choice of a customized sundae or a fruit and cheese plate
  • Bottle of water
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

Between Hawaii and LAX/PHX:

  • Full meal with Hawaiian rolls plus two other bread options
  • Pre-made sundae
  • Selection of snacks prior to arrival

EXCEPTION MARKETS:

Exception flights will fall between approximately 600-999 miles. Those flights will receive the same level of service as the published 1000-1299 miles parameters.

  • Between DFW and: DTW, ORD, SLC, MEX (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between FLL and: PAP
  • Between JFK and: FLL*, MCO, TPA*
  • Between MIA and: IAH, PAP, CAP, DCA (Effective 16-Oct-2014), IAD (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
  • Between MSP and: CLT, PHL
  • Between ORD and: BOS, DCA, DEN, JFK, LGA, RDU, AUS (Effective 16-Oct-2014)
*Flights between JFK and TPA/FLL do not currently operate.
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:

It was reported from an internal source (but not formally announced) that American Eagle would be discontinuing plated meals and, instead, will offer snack boxes and/or chilled meal boxes on meal flights.

Based on the picture on the websites representing meal service, it is confirmed that American will use US Airways plates, bowls, and other servingware moving forward. Additionally, it has been speculated that tray linens will also be eliminated in lieu of the current US Airways paper tray liner. An AA Twitter representative, however, confirmed that buttonhole napkins would be here to stay.

Additionally on October 1st, American Eagle and US Airways Express flights will follow these same meal time frames with some variations to the service. Flights between approximately 176 and 999 miles will receive snack baskets, and meal flights will feature a chilled gourmet boxed meal. Some popular regional flights between approximately 700 and 999 miles will also receive a chilled gourmet boxed meal.

All information above has been gathered and/or copied from the AA website.

Links:
AA Meal Service
US Meal Service

HISTORICAL INFORMATION:

This section is purely vestigial, primarily concentrating on historical announcements prior to August 4th, showing a path from separate carrier policies to a combined policy.

On February 15, 2014, there was an internal announcement shared here, outlining changes to US Airways' meal policy, as well as a few minor changes on the AA side. The changes would occur in two phases: April and September.

April:
US Airways
The meal windows on US Airways has transitioned from the previous 3 1/2 hours and above window as of April 1st; now, they are serving meals on flights that are 2 hours and 45 minutes, and above (specified as 1,000 nautical miles in the announcement). Light snacks on flights under 2:45 hours has been added, featuring breakfast pastries and fresh fruit for morning flights, as well as finger sandwiches on later flights (known as Lite Bites). New meal window tiers has been added to standardize US Airways meal service:

  • Less than an hour: Nut mix
  • 1 - 2 hours: Snack basket
  • 2 - 2:45 hours: Snack basket plus pastries/finger sandwiches (Lite Bites)
  • 2:45 hours - 3 1/2 hours: Meal service, no appetizer
  • 3 1/2 hours - 4 1/2 hours: Full meal, including an appetizer
  • 4 1/2 hours and above: Full meal service, accompanied by the snack basket

American
An expedited service for shorter, eastbound transatlantic flights (JFK-LHR/MAN/DUB) became the only choice in premium cabins. It was also announced that all eastbound transatlantic flights would receive a more streamlined service, but no visible differences has yet to be reported by FT members.

Over the course of this year (but all mentioned changes will discontinue on September 1st, with the exception of A321 transcons receiving three choices, as well as snack & brunch service for redeyes) a few notable improvements were made to transcontinental meal service, such as sorbets being offered as a breakfast/brunch dessert, supper service (an abbreviated dinner service without an appetizer and sundaes) that replaced snack service on redeyes, and three menu choices of entrees being offered instead of the previous two menu choices.

There were also a few cutbacks in the spring: on Flagship Transcontinental service (JFK-LAX/SFO; MIA-LAX), wherein marinated anti-pasto was discontinued in 3-class First Class lunch/dinner service; and in International First Class, where the wine-tasting course, grey placemats, and grey water glasses were eliminated in May.

Historical Weekly Updates (shared from an internal source):
6/14

  • Emphasis on being a leader, not a follower, according to Doug Parker.
  • Catering and cabin equipment review in progress.
  • FA involvement team to be created.
  • US/IB codeshare has started these past few days.
  • Three cycles of the revision for the joint certificate have been approved by the FAA. FAs now have inflight manual revisions.
  • MIA and JFK catering issues are still being addressed.
  • Visual presentation of the beef in the sandwich on the second meal service from Europe to the United States is being reviewed by F&B and catering in Europe.

6/21
  • Leadership conference focused on restoring AA to greatness.

Reply to negative feedback via website form: (3.5 hr flight RNO-ORD)

Thank you for contacting American. We know that meal options are important to our customers, and we appreciate the opportunity to address your comments about the changes we have made to our First Class meal program.

There are no plans to discontinue the signature services that have set American Airlines apart over the years. In fact, we are investing millions in our product. This includes the existing premium transcontinental service on select markets, and the offering of certain elements that customers have come to appreciate over time such as warm mixed nuts on all meal flights, cookies and premium desserts on longer flights.

Our new Domestic First Class service footprint provides opportunities to not only streamline service but also to enhance the quality of current food components: new salads and entrees. Product offerings are be aligned with the length of flight. For example, appetizers have been added on certain flights, and a new snack basket concept has been introduced on shorter flights. New meal tray elements to modernize presentation have been introduced, including new china and a stemless wine glass.

A component of these changes is to make consistent between American and US Airways the length of flight where a full meal service is offered. Effective September 1, traditional meal service is offered in First Class on flights operated by American that are 2:45 or longer. While this has removed the traditional meal service from some markets served by American, the changes implemented at US Airways earlier this year added meals to many US Airways markets that traditionally have not offered a full meal service.

On flights from 2 hours to 2:45 in length we offer our customers a "Lite Bites" basket with a variety of food options including tea sandwiches, fresh fruit, breakfast breads and sweet and savory snacks. We will, of course, continue to offer complimentary beverages and snacks for our First Class customers on all of our flights, including beer, spirits and our award-winning wine selection.
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Old Apr 25, 2014, 12:38 am
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Originally Posted by MrAndy1369
Exactly, I understand that 3-class eastbound J TATL flights has been streamlined, based on the shared JFK-LHR menu. My main concern is that eastbound 2-class J flights are still untouched and are not streamlined, such as longer DFW/ORD-Europe eastbound TATL flights that are a 2-class config. For example, I'm hoping DFW-LHR 2-class J has not been streamlined also, and that flight still receives the full, enhanced 2-class J treatment (plated service, sundaes).

AA has offered 2 versions of J service for many years now. 3-class J gets a more 'streamlined' service, which was even more streamlined as of April 1st, with sludges and fewer entree choices. Sundaes were introduced shortly with 3-class J in 2013, but seems to have gone away with the streamlined service, going back to 2012 and earlier standards. On the other hand, 2-class J gets a more elaborate service, kind of a hybrid F/J service, with individually plated service and a full sundae service. My point is that I'm hoping eastbound 2-class J hasn't been streamlined and therefore lost the 'enhanced' level of service.
Your understanding is incorrect.

Only three routes have new "express" meal service - JFKLHR, JFKMAN and JFKDUB. These flights are incredibly quick, often shorter time in the air than BOSLAX, DFWANC or MIASEA, so the service is paced more quickly so passengers can get to sleep faster.

Nothing else has been changed/streamlined, nor will it be. 2-class J still gets sundaes, etc. outside of those three routes.
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Old Apr 25, 2014, 1:58 am
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Actually, the original announcement from Post #1 on this thread did mention:

For the international operation at American, on April 1
a new expedited meal service will be introduced on
JFK to London/Manchester and Dublin as the only option available. This simpler shorter service was designed to align our offerings with our partner, British Airways. Additionally, on April 1, we will introduce a new streamlined meal presentation in business class on all eastbound markets to Europe.
(emphasis mine)

That's why I'm wondering what has changed on the other additional eastbound markets (all of them, including, presumably LAX/DFW/ORD/MIA/JFK-Europe), outside JFK-DUB/LHR/MAN. Unless I'm reading the announcement wrong or something has changed since the announcement, then in that case, I stand corrected.

Originally Posted by MAH4546
Your understanding is incorrect.

Only three routes have new "express" meal service - JFKLHR, JFKMAN and JFKDUB. These flights are incredibly quick, often shorter time in the air than BOSLAX, DFWANC or MIASEA, so the service is paced more quickly so passengers can get to sleep faster.

Nothing else has been changed/streamlined, nor will it be. 2-class J still gets sundaes, etc. outside of those three routes.
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Old Apr 25, 2014, 2:41 am
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JFK makes sense for passengers but for longer routes it would just be another drop to BA's lower standards presumably to save money. It could be interpreted as anti trust behavior as the AA/IAG exemption does not cover agreements to reduce service offering.
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Old Apr 25, 2014, 5:54 am
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Some more details on the express meal service in J on JFK-LHR: orders were taken on the ground (not sure if this always happens, but we had a ground delay). Nuts and first beverages were served about 25 minutes after takeoff, and about 25 minutes after that, a single tray came, with salad, entree, cheese plate, crackers and a chocolate. Bread and wine were served by a cart following that one (and by then, my preferred wine had already run out?! -- apparently they only stocked two bottles). Ice cream (pretty good, actually, but premade and frozen solid) was served as trays were cleared.

The food quality was still very high and portions were generous. I actually really like this new service; it lets you get to sleep an hour or so after takeoff, having had a full meal.

If only the wine catering had been sufficient...

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Old Apr 25, 2014, 7:50 am
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Originally Posted by SJC AA
Some more details on the express meal service in J on JFK-LHR: orders were taken on the ground (not sure if this always happens, but we had a ground delay). Nuts and first beverages were served about 25 minutes after takeoff, and about 25 minutes after that, a single tray came, with salad, entree, cheese plate, crackers and a chocolate. Bread and wine were served by a cart following that one (and by then, my preferred wine had already run out?! -- apparently they only stocked two bottles). Ice cream (pretty good, actually, but premade and frozen solid) was served as trays were cleared.

The food quality was still very high and portions were healthy. I actually really like this new service; it lets you get to sleep an hour or so after takeoff, having had a full meal.

If only the wine catering had been sufficient...
Glad to hear that. I think I ilke this too.

And even more important than the wine, stock a decent scotch
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Old Apr 25, 2014, 11:54 am
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Until AA stops dumping those greasebombs that they call a pizza on passengers, they really didn't make any progress in improving meal service. The "food" in my college dorm cafeteria was better than those "pizzas".
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Until AA stops dumping those greasebombs that they call a pizza on passengers, they really didn't make any progress in improving meal service. The "food" in my college dorm cafeteria was better than those "pizzas".
They do try and now again there is a winner like the shrimp curry. I once sat next to an AA exec In charge of international F&B service and he said AA customers do not like healthy options. Hence fish or seafood is first entree to go on cost cut but red meat and cheesy pasta will be last. Hence Greasy Pizza. hence Ice Cream sundae or cheese as dessert. Oh and until recently more cheese as a an accompaniment to your aperitif. Oh and no low fat dressing for the salad.
Most disappointing dish Huevos Rancheros for Breakfast, I thought great, spicy, tasty... It looked and tasted as though somebody's pet dog had barfed. Why or why? Surely they test what reheats well and serves well and what ...... Never mind I keep hoping for a surprise...
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Old Apr 25, 2014, 1:34 pm
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Originally Posted by GrandMoffJoseph
Until AA stops dumping those greasebombs that they call a pizza on passengers, they really didn't make any progress in improving meal service. The "food" in my college dorm cafeteria was better than those "pizzas".
You realize there is another opion right?
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Old Apr 25, 2014, 1:39 pm
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Originally Posted by sts603
You realize there is another opion right?
And according to AA you are in the majority with that opinion.
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Old Apr 25, 2014, 3:05 pm
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Originally Posted by rjlon
They do try and now again there is a winner like the shrimp curry. I once sat next to an AA exec In charge of international F&B service and he said AA customers do not like healthy options. Hence fish or seafood is first entree to go on cost cut but red meat and cheesy pasta will be last. Hence Greasy Pizza. hence Ice Cream sundae or cheese as dessert. Oh and until recently more cheese as a an accompaniment to your aperitif. Oh and no low fat dressing for the salad.
Most disappointing dish Huevos Rancheros for Breakfast, I thought great, spicy, tasty... It looked and tasted as though somebody's pet dog had barfed. Why or why? Surely they test what reheats well and serves well and what ...... Never mind I keep hoping for a surprise...
I don't doubt your story, but I'd really like to know who the customers were that AA talked to about this. I'm not saying that the food choices need to come straight from the Whole Foods organic line, but surely there's a non-zero number of passengers who would like some middle-ground choice between greasy and greasier, lol

Personally, I think the answer the AA exec didn't want to say is that the cheesy/meaty dishes are the last to go because they likely have the longest keep-time before they run the risk of spoiling. And lo-fat dressings? Likely to save the .02/packet that it might cost them to order lo-cal dressing instead of regular.

Maybe I'm being overly cynical, but I'd be surprised if the motivation behind any decision that they make now is anything other than cost.
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Originally Posted by sts603
You realize there is another option right?
On the two trips I've made RT ORD-LHR, the final food run before landing had one option - pizza.
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Old Apr 25, 2014, 3:13 pm
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Originally Posted by GrandMoffJoseph
I don't doubt your story, but I'd really like to know who the customers were that AA talked to about this. I'm not saying that the food choices need to come straight from the Whole Foods organic line, but surely there's a non-zero number of passengers who would like some middle-ground choice between greasy and greasier, lol

Personally, I think the answer the AA exec didn't want to say is that the cheesy/meaty dishes are the last to go because they likely have the longest keep-time before they run the risk of spoiling. And lo-fat dressings? Likely to save the .02/packet that it might cost them to order lo-cal dressing instead of regular.

Maybe I'm being overly cynical, but I'd be surprised if the motivation behind any decision that they make now is anything other than cost.
Don't ask me but they were based in DFW.
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Old Apr 26, 2014, 9:56 am
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US Y BOB Expansion

I recieved an email T72 before my flight from PHL - MSP (mainline A319) inviting me to preorder a fruit and cheese platter or Smoked Beef Sandwich which I ordered the latter. It was a very good sandwich! Description/Availability:

Smoked beef sandwich $8.49
Sliced smoked beef, cheddar cheese, red cabbage and sliced tomatoes on a kaiser roll with barbeque sauce. Served with kettle chips and chocolate chip shortbread cookies. (Served on flights departing between 9:01 AM and 8 PM.)

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Originally Posted by SJC AA
Some more details on the express meal service in J on JFK-LHR: orders were taken on the ground (not sure if this always happens, but we had a ground delay). Nuts and first beverages were served about 25 minutes after takeoff, and about 25 minutes after that, a single tray came, with salad, entree, cheese plate, crackers and a chocolate. Bread and wine were served by a cart following that one (and by then, my preferred wine had already run out?! -- apparently they only stocked two bottles). Ice cream (pretty good, actually, but premade and frozen solid) was served as trays were cleared.

The food quality was still very high and portions were generous. I actually really like this new service; it lets you get to sleep an hour or so after takeoff, having had a full meal.

If only the wine catering had been sufficient...
Gosh, I'm jealous !!
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Old Apr 26, 2014, 3:01 pm
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Here is a weekly update.

- Maximization of revenue beginning in July, better adjusting aircraft size with markets, deploying heavy seating capacity where requested. US A319s to replace some AA B738s in some markets.
- CLT-BRU and CLT-LIS will be reduced (as already known).
- FA training is now intergrated at Flagship U. in DFW.
- Service changes will occur on September 1. Equipment and stocking issues are being resolved now in preparation.

(was asked by another member to post this, as OP wishes to remain anonymous...sorry!)
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