Finkface

Thanks for this. It's funny as I was just searching again yesterday and still can't find any KLM flights. And I am searching for anything Aug 15 onward to the last possible date. And my EF alerts that I have had in for the past month, also with a huge variety of routes and dates, both on AF from YVR and on KLM, have also come up dry.

I hadn't even considered DL as I know nothing about their product and didn't bother to reasearch it. I dismissed them entirely but, thanks to you and 3Cforme, I am open to giving DL a try. Are all their TATL aircraft lie-flat? Or just certain planes? I'm less concerned about the soft product; it is the seat that I care about. Pods in J, such as CX, NH, AF new BEST etc. are what I am after. I was only hot on the KLM LAX-AMS flight to get the 747 UD one last time.

Dieuwer

Delta is very good. All Aisle Access. Private seats along the windows, seats for couples in the center.

PV_Premier

TATL (and TPAC) is 100% flat bed as i said before. the seats are not really pods per se, and thus not as private as some, but they're comfortable and 180 degree recline, which is more than can be said of many of the AF options. for my own purposes, the single seats on the window are plenty private enough. i'm not a celebrity nor a dykwia, i just want decent service, a good meal, and a good nights sleep on a TATL and DL consistently delivers all 3.

http://www.delta.com/content/www/en_...one.html#sleep

my experiences w/ DL have been exclusively 763 and 764 a/c, which are 1-2-1 configuration in business class. i've also flown several AF flights on the 772 and A340, they were good as well, but less privacy IMO (particularly on the 772) than DL.

KL is better, but if you can't get it and you can get DL, a bird in the hand...

Dieuwer

If you can get seat 1A or 4A on a KL 747, it will just be like having your own private bedroom. The forward cabin is very cozy.

Finkface

Bingo. This is all I care about too. The rest is secondary.

I know, I really, really wanted to sit in the nose. Never done it and the opportunities are getting more scarce as the years go by. Or even the UD. I just wanted one last flight on the old girl. But really, any decent lie flat J product is fine with me. I just thought if I could get KL, I'd do it. DL is looking more like the best option at this point.

jrl767

if you're willing to position farther, I think KL also runs their 744s out of ORD, IAH, and JFK

jrl767

on the 763 and 764 the seats face fully forward; on the A330 they are angled (window seats outboard and center seats inboard, so your head is closer to the aisle than your feet)

the window seats in the odd-numbered rows on the 763 and 764 have the console between the seat and the aisle; in the even-numbered rows the seat is farther from the window because of the console

under ALL circumstances BEWARE of the 757 on DL TATL (though this is probably not of concern since you're going to AMS) ... if you're in the window seat, you have to be either a contortionist or on extremely good terms with the person in the aisle if you want to get out

Finkface

Thanks for this. AMS isn't a must - it was just to get the 747 out of LAX. We are flexible - pretty much anywhere in Europe is fine with AMS or CDG being the most desirable. And we can position anywhere needed, preferably the west coast as YVR is our starting point. The only reason I wasn't wanting to position from the east coast was to avoid domestic F for a transcon and have a lie flat for the longest possible leg. And with over 500k AS miles, it would be nice to be able to use them. I just wish I could talk Mr. Fink into FCO via DXB in Emirates F.

beckoa

Just booked KL out of SFO last night in J for next year.

Seats are still there

jrl767

I feel your pain; my wife and I are most interested in visiting Amsterdam again, but even the prospect of 7 hours AMS-DXB in EK F (on the A380 no less) isn't enough to make her look favorably on that routing

I'm waiting to learn if the paper I submitted for a mid-July conference in EDI is accepted ... I saw one seat at 62.5K from SEA, connecting to the KL 747 over LAX, but it was gone by the time we discussed options in terms of vacation days (after the conference instead of before)

Guy Betsy

Sorry to drag this thread out..but I'm not sure where to put this..

I have an inter europe KLM flight in Y coming up. I have no status with any Skyteam partner - except with AS.

KLM flights I understand do not give baggage allowance unless you're an elite with FrequenceBLUe. Do we as AS MVP Gold have any allowance at all ?

Thx

eponymous_coward

This question might be better in its own thread...

https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mi.../mvp-gold.aspx

https://www.alaskaair.com/content/mi...-benefits.ashx

Note that a baggage benefit with KL is not listed.

michael_v

After booking KLM flights with AS miles, alaskaair.com tells me that reservation cannot be viewed online. Is there any way to get the KLM PNR or ticket number without calling? The Sabre tool virtuallythere.com says I cannot view itineraries for this airline (AS).

Jma12

You will have to call KLM for the PNR.

robsaw

Should be viewable on AS once AS gets back ticketing confirmation from KLM. Might take a day or two.