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2016 777 Routes

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Q: Are all 777s refurbished?
A: Yes, all active 777s have the new configuration (Executive Pod) J suites, Premium Economy, and 10-across Economy seats.

Q: Are the dividers in the middle J seats moveable? Can they be slid up/down?
A: No, all Dream Cabin J seat dividers do not come down and are fixed in place.

Summer 2016 777 International Routes
End of summer schedule changes will be added in the future

77L (40J-24O-236Y : 300 pax)
Calgary – London Heathrow: AC850/851
Toronto – Hong Kong: AC15/16
Toronto – London Heathrow: AC858/859
Toronto – Vancouver – Sydney: AC33/34

77W (40J-24O-336Y : 400 pax)
Toronto – Beijing: AC31/32
Toronto – Frankfurt: AC872/873
Toronto – London Heathrow: AC856/869
Toronto – London Heathrow: AC848/849
Toronto – Paris CDG: AC880/881
Toronto – Rome Fiumicino: AC890/891 until Sep 12 (out), Sep 13 (in)
Toronto – Shanghai Pudong: AC87/88
Toronto – Tokyo Haneda: AC5/6
Vancouver – Shanghai Pudong: AC25/26
Vancouver – Tokyo Narita: AC3/4

77W (28J-24O-398Y : 450 pax)
Montreal – London Heathrow: AC864/865
Montreal – Paris CDG: AC870/871
Montreal – Paris CDG: AC884/885
Vancouver – Beijing: AC29/30
Vancouver – Hong Kong: AC7/8
Vancouver – London Heathrow: AC854/855

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 Aircraft Tracking (last updated Jun 16, 2016)
 Plane       Status       Location Details
 
 77L (40J-24O-236Y : 300 pax)
 C-FIUA-701  Done         Loc:HKG  In:Apr 09/16  Out:May 09/16  (30 days)
 C-FIUF-702  Done         Loc:HKG  In:Nov 08/15  Out:Dec 27/15  (49 days)
 C-FIUJ-703  Done         Loc:HKG  In:Dec 27/15  Out:Feb 04/16  (39 days)
 C-FIVK-704  Done         Loc:HKG  In:May 09/16  Out:Jun 08/16  (30 days)
 C-FNND-705  Done         Loc:HKG  In:Mar 09/16  Out:Apr 09/16  (31 days)
 C-FNNH-706  Done         Loc:HKG  In:Feb 04/16  Out:Mar 09/16  (34 days)
 
 77W (40J-24O-336Y : 400 pax)
 C-FITL-731  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Sep 01/15  Out:Nov 20/15  (80 Days)
 C-FITU-732  Done         Loc:GSO  In:May 03/16  Out:Jun 05/16  (33 days)
 C-FITW-733  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Nov 23/15  Out:Jan 06/16  (45 days)
 C-FIUL-734  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Mar 16/16  Out:Apr 17/16  (32 days)  
 C-FIUR-735  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Dec 09/15  Out:Jan 18/16  (40 days)
 C-FIUV-736  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Feb 26/16  Out:Apr 02/16  (36 days)
 C-FIUW-737  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Jan 06/16  Out:Feb 12/16  (37 days)
 C-FIVM-738  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Feb 13/16  Out:Mar 16/16  (32 days)
 C-FRAM-739  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Apr 02/16  Out:May 02/16  (30 days)
 C-FIVQ-740  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Jan 20/16  Out:Feb 26/16  (37 days)
 C-FIVR-741  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Apr 17/16  Out:May 17/16  (30 days)
 C-FIVS-742  Done         Loc:GSO  In:Oct 23/15  Out:Dec 08/15  (46 days)
 
 77W (28J-24O-398Y : 450 pax)
 C-FIVW-743  Done         Loc:YMX  In:Mar 28/16  Out:Apr 23/16  (26 days)
 C-FIVX-744  Done         Loc:YMX  In:May 21/16  Out:Jun 03/16  (13 days)
 C-FNNQ-745  Done         Loc:YMX  In:Jun 03/16  Out:Jun 16/16  (13 days)
 C-FNNU-746  Done         Loc:YMX  In:May 06/16  Out:May 21/16  (15 days)
 C-FNNW-747  Done         Loc:YMX  In:Apr 23/16  Out:May 06/16  (13 days)
 C-FJZS-748  In Service   Loc:YMX  FF:Mar 24/16  Del:Apr 26/16  EIS:May 18/16
 C-FKAU-749  In Service   Loc:YMX  FF:May 01/16  Del:May 21/16  EIS:Jun 10/16

Air Canada plans to refurbish 18 of its 777

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May 15, 2014, 7:16 am

#16

Tractor Boy

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ACYYZ/SD

Moving galley and lavatory structures is a major ordeal and cost. I'm purely speculating that PY will occupy the "B" Cabin currently configured for J.

16J > 24/32 PY ??

If that is the case then the current 42J will drop to approx. 30

Upgrades...what upgrades?

May 15, 2014, 7:27 am

#17

CloudsBelow

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisA330

This will bring the 77W to 400 seats and the 77L to 300 seats. So a denser config, still not quite HD levels, but not sure how they could add that many seats without going 10 across in Y.

Would you not agree 10*wide is a given? It's a shame but you'll soon be able to count the Global 9*wide 777s on your fingers.

10*wide Y
Add PE
Reduce J

Essentially HD + 1" pitch in Y roughly?

May 15, 2014, 7:33 am

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They should just go all in with 10 across and 29" pitch

May 15, 2014, 7:37 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CloudsBelow

Would you not agree 10*wide is a given? It's a shame but you'll soon be able to count the Global 9*wide 777s on your fingers.

10*wide Y
Add PE
Reduce J

Essentially HD + 1" pitch in Y roughly?

That is what I said. My guess is they add one seat across in each row, but keep the same pitch as the current fleet. The big question is J and PY mix.

The other possibility, could be to reduce Y to 31" pitch. Rearrange galleys, reduce the # of lavs and add a few extra rows of Y coupled with the reduction in J and addition of PY.

Last edited by ChrisA330; May 15, 2014 at 7:45 am

May 15, 2014, 7:45 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Tractor Boy

If that is the case then the current 42J will drop to approx. 30

Upgrades...what upgrades?

Sorry my math was off. Cabin B configuration is 18J not 16J. Apologies.
30J in a reconfigured environment sounds about correct. Pure speculation.

May 15, 2014, 7:49 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisA330

Galley and lavatory rearrangement takes refurbishment to a whole other level, and I'm going to say unlikely. I'm going to further guess that the stand up bar is maintained as it serves as a work space and also houses the duty free trolleys. We'll see.....

May 15, 2014, 7:58 am

#22

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A quick overview on seatguru.com shows that a whole bunch of airlines are offering 10 abreast seating (AF, AA, OS, EK, KL, MH, SU, UA, JL and more) on 777s. There used to be lounge on 747s, a funky table and seats (two of them sideways) on the DC-8.

Airbus launched a plan for 11 abreast seating on the A380.

I understand people lamenting the eventual extinction on 9 across seating, but why is everyone surprised?

May 15, 2014, 9:19 am

#23

The Lev

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"we are planning on converting 12 Boeing 777-300ER and six Boeing 777-200LR aircraft into a more competitive configuration, adding a much desired premium economy cabin and refurbishing the International Business Class cabin to the new Boeing 787 state-of-the-art standards. The reconfiguration is designed to both lower unit costs and to allow us to compete more effectively with a harmonized product offering across our flagship international fleet."

In my mind this means:

J cabin reduced to the front cabin only with 28 seats 4-abreast
Second J cabin gets converted into PE cabin with likely 4 rows of 8 abreast for total of 32 seats
Y cabin addition of 10th seat adds ~35 seats for 77W and ~27 seats for 77L
Y seat pitch unchanged

Impact:
J goes from 42 to 28
PE goes from 0 to 32
Y goes from 307 to 342 for 77W and 228 to 255 for 77L

Takes capacity to 402 (up 53) for 77W and 315 for 77L (up 45)

AC might decide to keep more J capacity on the 77L with a small second cabin since it seems that J sells very well on ultra-long hauls YYZ-HKG and YVR-SYD. They could do that by keeping 3 rows of J in the second cabin (total 40), having 4 rows of PE that would take up part of the current J and Y cabins, removing 2 rows of Y.

May 15, 2014, 9:26 am

#24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Lev

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AC might decide to keep more J capacity on the 77L with a small second cabin since it seems that J sells very well on ultra-long hauls YYZ-HKG and YVR-SYD. They could do that by keeping 3 rows of J in the second cabin (total 40), having 4 rows of PE that would take up part of the current J and Y cabins, removing 2 rows of Y.

I think that would depend on the number of paid J versus the number of eUp J. Last time I flew YVR-SYD the number of people called up for upgrades was big.

May 15, 2014, 10:22 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Altaflyer

They should just go all in with 10 across and 29" pitch

Or 29 across and 10" pitch.

May 15, 2014, 10:28 am

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ACYYZ/SD

Moving galley and lavatory structures is a major ordeal and cost. I'm purely speculating that PY will occupy the "B" Cabin currently configured for J.

16J > 24/32 PY ??

I guess even if Y went 31" pitch and 3-4-3 it wouldn't be enough to save some of the second J section if they want to add PY as well?

As tireman posted, almost every airline that configures new or retrofits existing 777s has gone 3-4-3. If AC kept 3-3-3 and 32" pitch, but increased Y fares by 10% history has shown customers will not reward them. Everyone I know that isn't on FT books primarily by two factors : 1) price and 2) # stops. Aircraft / seat configuration / pitch is simply not under consideration.

May 15, 2014, 10:52 am

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Another possibility is to follow the narrowbody pattern for Y, with the first few rows at 33" pitch and everyone else at 31". After a minor reconfiguration of the current HD aircraft, this would result in consistency across the long-haul fleet.

So much for "this is a mission-and-market-specific aircraft" claptrap touted when the HDs were first brought in, and that so many on this board bought line, hook, and sinker.

May 15, 2014, 11:05 am

#28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mauricio23

It was re-iterated at the earnings report today: "Rovinescu stressed that the new configurations on the 777s will not reach the 458-seat density of five new 777-300ERs the carrier has added to its fleet during the last year. Those aircraft are tools “designed specifically for designated markets”, Rovincescu explained. Air Canada targets markets with those higher-density 777s featuring a higher number of leisure passengers and presently operates the aircraft on service from Montreal to Paris, Vancouver to Hong Kong and and London Heathrow and Toronto to Vancouver. Flights from Montreal to London Heathrow begin in June and continue through the end of September." Source: http://www.runwaygirlnetwork.com

May 15, 2014, 11:08 am

#29

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The writing is in the cards:
a) J capacity rightsized to essentially cover those who are willing to pay for it, with yield management optimizing Z,C,J fares. Minimal upgrades, nearly exclusively from PE rather than Y
b) Y made more sardiny, in expectation that there are enough people who won't care
c) PE becomes commonplace, priced so as to make it palatable for some employers who won't spring for J but whose employees would rebel against sardine-Y, with upgrades available such that even if employers aren't willing to pay the PE-Y premium, some individuals will pay out of their own pocket
d) The current Y-to-J upgrade game becomes a Y-to-PE upgrade game and a much more limited PE-to-J upgrade game

We may not like it, but that's what AC is betting they can make work. By the way, it won't feel too different (just overall a bit more cramped) than what standard 3 class Y-J-F felt like years ago, before flat-bed J was commonplace.

May 15, 2014, 11:20 am

#30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tireman77

That's entirely consistent with what I said. A good chunk of it is because you are taking away 12 J seats and adding a row of PY. Then you can either have 32" pitch throughout Y, or use a 33" (preferred seat) - 31" (standard seat) configuration to reach the total of 402 seats. Hopefully these seats will have better thigh support than the torture chairs of the 777HD.

If they wanted to offer a consistent product across the fleet (stressed in the same report), they could remove a couple of Y rows from the HD birds. If they don't, I'll just keep not flying them.