A Pilot Discusses His Anti-Hijack Ideas
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A Pilot Discusses His Anti-Hijack Ideas
I found this on the PPRuNe board. It's long but interesting . . .
Fraternal Brothers and Sisters,
My name is John Burnett. I am a DC-10 Captain for FedEx. I am also a
Police Officer for the Memphis Police Department.
My purpose in writing this is to share some of my thoughts regarding
actions a pilot might consider when faced with a modern-day hijacker. These
thoughts are "outside-the-box" when it comes to the way we've all been
trained. Neither the FAA or our companies will suggest any of these
techniques or implement them as a part of our normal training cycles. They
couldn't for fear of lawsuits.
I am distributing this via e-mail to buddies I've flown with. I'm asking
them to send it to their circle of friends within the industry, and for you
to send it to yours. I know most of us have e-mail, and I hope this
reaches the next to face the horror of some religious fanatic onboard.
We have all had "training" in what to do in case of a hijacking; try to
keep the hijacker calm, make him think you're doing what he wants, take him
where
ever he wants to go, etc., etc., etc. Save your passengers, your crew, and
your aircraft.
In an emergency, you will revert to that training. When our unfortunate
peers were faced with the screams of the Flight Attendants and hijacker's
demands to open the cockpit door, their training probably made them open
the door. When the fanatics made demands, their training told them to
comply as best they could. I can only wonder what their thoughts were as
they left the cockpit and were tied up in the back of the plane; what they
thought as they descended over New York.... I hope the fanatics had to kill
them in their seats and drag their dead bodies out of the cockpit. But, I
bet they did as they were trained to do....
As you look back over recent hijackings, FedEx, Egypt Air, and now the
September 11th hijackings, you see a perpetrator who, for one reason or
another wants to take over the airplane and kill himself. Each of these
hijackers, except for the FedEx incident, were successful. They took over
the airplane and killed everyone onboard.
If you're following the news programs today, you hear a lot about how we
could let these hijackers learn to fly. You would think if knowing how to
fly would guarantee a successful hijacking, Auburn Calloway (the FedEx
hijacker) would have been a hijacker success story. He was a Navy pilot, a
martial arts student, a fellow FedEx crew member, and he took all the
weapons he needed: hammers, knives and a spear gun. He didn't have to
overcome any Flight Attendants or demand they open the cockpit door. He
just went back to his bag, took out his hammer came back into the cockpit
and started crushing skulls.
The crew members on that flight didn't worry about Flight Attendants, they
didn't worry about passengers. All three pilots left the cockpit and
fought a hand-to-hand, life-or-death battle.
To survive today's hijacker, you cannot worry about your passengers; you
cannot worry about your Flight Attendants. You must develop a mind-set
that everyone onboard - including yourself - is already dead. Because, if
the hijacker is successful in taking over your airplane, not only you, your
crew, your passengers and your aircraft are lost, but thousands on the
ground are at risk.
One of the reasons the FedEx crew survived, is the extraordinary actions of
the co-pilot. Although he had brain injury, the co-pilot took the DC-10
and immediately executed a half-roll. This maneuver took the hijacker off
his feet as the Captain and S/O were struggling with him. During a point in
the maneuver, the hijacker, Captain and S/O were thrown back behind the
cockpit door. When he righted the airplane, the F/O then left his seat and
joined the fight in the galley area of the plane. It was only after the
Captain determined the hijacker was subdued, he returned to the cockpit and
flew the airplane to landing.
Very few of us have had to confront true evil. Fewer still have seriously
considered taking the life of another human being. I believe this is the
reason the FedEx crew did not kill their attacker. The crew's heroism that
day is beyond belief and any action that leads to a safe landing and
recovery cannot be argued with. But, when the Captain left the F/O and
S/O, thinking the situation was under control, he was mistaken. The F/O and
S/O had sustained serious, life threatening injuries. The hijacker had not.
As the Captain flew the aircraft, the hijacker, who had surrendered, began
the fight anew. As the airplane landed, the hijacker was just moments away
from overcoming the two crew members.
I mention this for your consideration. I would suggest that you make the
conscious decision to kill anyone who tries to take your airplane from you.
Today we are at war. The hijacker who comes through your cockpit door is
going to kill you and everyone onboard.
So, how do you do that? What weapons are available to us as pilots? The
intercom. Command that all men come forward and fight with the hijackers.
You have many able-bodied men onboard. They are sitting in shock not
knowing what to do. Command they come forward and help you kill your
attackers. And, they will come.
The airplane itself. Get the hijackers off their feet. Go into an
immediate dive to float them to the ceiling. Then execute a 6G positive
maneuver and hope they hit their head or break their back as they hit the
floor, galley shelf, etc. Dump the cabin - maybe one of the hijackers has a
head cold.
Pull the fire handles, shut the start levers and turn the fuel valves off.
If you lose the battle, at least the airplane won't be used as a guided
missile on a kamikaze mission. With luck, maybe these guys didn't learn
how to do an in-flight restart. Then leave the cockpit, all of you, and
kill your attackers, don't believe it when they surrender, don't be nice to
them, KILL THEM.
Flare Gun If your airplane has one, the Captain might consider making sure
it's loaded and secured next to his bag. I can think of nothing more
satisfying than watching a ball of burning phosphorous embedded into a
fanatic's gut, burning its way through him.
The crash-axe. I would suggest you have your co-pilot take it from it's
holder and secure it next to him so he has it immediately available. Makes
an excellent skull crusher. Your flashlight. The FAA use to require a 2
cell. A 3 cell Mag-Light makes an excellent weapon. If your maneuvers
have the hijackers on the floor writhing in pain, crush their skulls with
it.
Your stolen hotel bic pen. Drive it into an attacker's eye, ear, throat, or
into the area just under the jaw bone. That's a particular interesting
place to drive it, because when he opens his mouth to scream, you can read
"Hyatt" sticking there.
Your hand and fingers Drive your fingers into his eyes and try to feel your
fingernails scrape the back of his eye sockets. Scoop the eyeballs out. It
will confuse the hell out of him when he finds himself looking at his shoes
as they dangle there on the ocular nerves. Your teeth. Remember Hannibal
Lecter. Eat a nose, a cheek, or a finger. And keep eating. Attack with all
viciousness. A piranha is a small fish, but it's greatly feared. A
hijacker is not expecting you to eat him and it might make him forget why
he got on your airplane to begin with. It will, at least, impress his
buddies.
Now here's my wish-list of things the FAA could do to help, especially in
this time of war.
Arm the Captain The battle is not going to require any long shots and a
small revolver would be a good choice. It would hold off the attackers
long enough for you to disable your aircraft. If the attackers claimed the
red package they were holding was a bomb, I'd shoot out the door glass and
hope the door would be ripped out and the hijacker and his package would
be sucked out.
And hey, I if I got sucked out with him, I'd try to fly myself to the
hijacker look in his face and laugh at him all the way to the ground.
Invite the local Police to jumpseat Police are always looking for something
free. Donut shops use to be a favorite target for robbers - until they
started giving donuts to the Police. Robbers don't rob donut shops anymore.
I would suggest each Police Department send the FAA a list of the best
shots on the department and those guys and their guns would be welcome on
my airplane. Fill every vacant seat with armed Police - give them a donut -
and tell them to shoot anyone who gives your Flight Attendant any **** .
Stop this silly no-knife rule. Make it public. Tell the public they're
welcome to bring their pocket knives onboard. Then everyone will bring
them. When you make your intercom call for help, you'll have a dozen or
more knife wielding helpers trying to make sure their new Gerber tastes
fanatics blood. There are even a few of them who'd want to keep ears as
souvenirs.
Law enforcement agencies are all aware there are copy-cat criminals and
fanatics. We have a number of loony fanatical hate-groups here in the USA:
ALF, PETA, KKK, Army of God, Anti-abortionists, and the list goes on. It
doesn't matter the size of your airplane. Right now, as I write this,
there is an anti-abortionist escapee here in the Memphis area. He's seen
what happened at the World Trade Center. A small commuter plane would do a
great job on an abortion clinic, or on an animal research facility, or on a
local synagogue, mosque, etc., etc., None of us is immune. Take some time
and consider your actions if this event should ever happen to you. My
prayer is none of you ever have to face this kind of decision.
Best of luck to you, and may God Bless
Fraternal Brothers and Sisters,
My name is John Burnett. I am a DC-10 Captain for FedEx. I am also a
Police Officer for the Memphis Police Department.
My purpose in writing this is to share some of my thoughts regarding
actions a pilot might consider when faced with a modern-day hijacker. These
thoughts are "outside-the-box" when it comes to the way we've all been
trained. Neither the FAA or our companies will suggest any of these
techniques or implement them as a part of our normal training cycles. They
couldn't for fear of lawsuits.
I am distributing this via e-mail to buddies I've flown with. I'm asking
them to send it to their circle of friends within the industry, and for you
to send it to yours. I know most of us have e-mail, and I hope this
reaches the next to face the horror of some religious fanatic onboard.
We have all had "training" in what to do in case of a hijacking; try to
keep the hijacker calm, make him think you're doing what he wants, take him
where
ever he wants to go, etc., etc., etc. Save your passengers, your crew, and
your aircraft.
In an emergency, you will revert to that training. When our unfortunate
peers were faced with the screams of the Flight Attendants and hijacker's
demands to open the cockpit door, their training probably made them open
the door. When the fanatics made demands, their training told them to
comply as best they could. I can only wonder what their thoughts were as
they left the cockpit and were tied up in the back of the plane; what they
thought as they descended over New York.... I hope the fanatics had to kill
them in their seats and drag their dead bodies out of the cockpit. But, I
bet they did as they were trained to do....
As you look back over recent hijackings, FedEx, Egypt Air, and now the
September 11th hijackings, you see a perpetrator who, for one reason or
another wants to take over the airplane and kill himself. Each of these
hijackers, except for the FedEx incident, were successful. They took over
the airplane and killed everyone onboard.
If you're following the news programs today, you hear a lot about how we
could let these hijackers learn to fly. You would think if knowing how to
fly would guarantee a successful hijacking, Auburn Calloway (the FedEx
hijacker) would have been a hijacker success story. He was a Navy pilot, a
martial arts student, a fellow FedEx crew member, and he took all the
weapons he needed: hammers, knives and a spear gun. He didn't have to
overcome any Flight Attendants or demand they open the cockpit door. He
just went back to his bag, took out his hammer came back into the cockpit
and started crushing skulls.
The crew members on that flight didn't worry about Flight Attendants, they
didn't worry about passengers. All three pilots left the cockpit and
fought a hand-to-hand, life-or-death battle.
To survive today's hijacker, you cannot worry about your passengers; you
cannot worry about your Flight Attendants. You must develop a mind-set
that everyone onboard - including yourself - is already dead. Because, if
the hijacker is successful in taking over your airplane, not only you, your
crew, your passengers and your aircraft are lost, but thousands on the
ground are at risk.
One of the reasons the FedEx crew survived, is the extraordinary actions of
the co-pilot. Although he had brain injury, the co-pilot took the DC-10
and immediately executed a half-roll. This maneuver took the hijacker off
his feet as the Captain and S/O were struggling with him. During a point in
the maneuver, the hijacker, Captain and S/O were thrown back behind the
cockpit door. When he righted the airplane, the F/O then left his seat and
joined the fight in the galley area of the plane. It was only after the
Captain determined the hijacker was subdued, he returned to the cockpit and
flew the airplane to landing.
Very few of us have had to confront true evil. Fewer still have seriously
considered taking the life of another human being. I believe this is the
reason the FedEx crew did not kill their attacker. The crew's heroism that
day is beyond belief and any action that leads to a safe landing and
recovery cannot be argued with. But, when the Captain left the F/O and
S/O, thinking the situation was under control, he was mistaken. The F/O and
S/O had sustained serious, life threatening injuries. The hijacker had not.
As the Captain flew the aircraft, the hijacker, who had surrendered, began
the fight anew. As the airplane landed, the hijacker was just moments away
from overcoming the two crew members.
I mention this for your consideration. I would suggest that you make the
conscious decision to kill anyone who tries to take your airplane from you.
Today we are at war. The hijacker who comes through your cockpit door is
going to kill you and everyone onboard.
So, how do you do that? What weapons are available to us as pilots? The
intercom. Command that all men come forward and fight with the hijackers.
You have many able-bodied men onboard. They are sitting in shock not
knowing what to do. Command they come forward and help you kill your
attackers. And, they will come.
The airplane itself. Get the hijackers off their feet. Go into an
immediate dive to float them to the ceiling. Then execute a 6G positive
maneuver and hope they hit their head or break their back as they hit the
floor, galley shelf, etc. Dump the cabin - maybe one of the hijackers has a
head cold.
Pull the fire handles, shut the start levers and turn the fuel valves off.
If you lose the battle, at least the airplane won't be used as a guided
missile on a kamikaze mission. With luck, maybe these guys didn't learn
how to do an in-flight restart. Then leave the cockpit, all of you, and
kill your attackers, don't believe it when they surrender, don't be nice to
them, KILL THEM.
Flare Gun If your airplane has one, the Captain might consider making sure
it's loaded and secured next to his bag. I can think of nothing more
satisfying than watching a ball of burning phosphorous embedded into a
fanatic's gut, burning its way through him.
The crash-axe. I would suggest you have your co-pilot take it from it's
holder and secure it next to him so he has it immediately available. Makes
an excellent skull crusher. Your flashlight. The FAA use to require a 2
cell. A 3 cell Mag-Light makes an excellent weapon. If your maneuvers
have the hijackers on the floor writhing in pain, crush their skulls with
it.
Your stolen hotel bic pen. Drive it into an attacker's eye, ear, throat, or
into the area just under the jaw bone. That's a particular interesting
place to drive it, because when he opens his mouth to scream, you can read
"Hyatt" sticking there.
Your hand and fingers Drive your fingers into his eyes and try to feel your
fingernails scrape the back of his eye sockets. Scoop the eyeballs out. It
will confuse the hell out of him when he finds himself looking at his shoes
as they dangle there on the ocular nerves. Your teeth. Remember Hannibal
Lecter. Eat a nose, a cheek, or a finger. And keep eating. Attack with all
viciousness. A piranha is a small fish, but it's greatly feared. A
hijacker is not expecting you to eat him and it might make him forget why
he got on your airplane to begin with. It will, at least, impress his
buddies.
Now here's my wish-list of things the FAA could do to help, especially in
this time of war.
Arm the Captain The battle is not going to require any long shots and a
small revolver would be a good choice. It would hold off the attackers
long enough for you to disable your aircraft. If the attackers claimed the
red package they were holding was a bomb, I'd shoot out the door glass and
hope the door would be ripped out and the hijacker and his package would
be sucked out.
And hey, I if I got sucked out with him, I'd try to fly myself to the
hijacker look in his face and laugh at him all the way to the ground.
Invite the local Police to jumpseat Police are always looking for something
free. Donut shops use to be a favorite target for robbers - until they
started giving donuts to the Police. Robbers don't rob donut shops anymore.
I would suggest each Police Department send the FAA a list of the best
shots on the department and those guys and their guns would be welcome on
my airplane. Fill every vacant seat with armed Police - give them a donut -
and tell them to shoot anyone who gives your Flight Attendant any **** .
Stop this silly no-knife rule. Make it public. Tell the public they're
welcome to bring their pocket knives onboard. Then everyone will bring
them. When you make your intercom call for help, you'll have a dozen or
more knife wielding helpers trying to make sure their new Gerber tastes
fanatics blood. There are even a few of them who'd want to keep ears as
souvenirs.
Law enforcement agencies are all aware there are copy-cat criminals and
fanatics. We have a number of loony fanatical hate-groups here in the USA:
ALF, PETA, KKK, Army of God, Anti-abortionists, and the list goes on. It
doesn't matter the size of your airplane. Right now, as I write this,
there is an anti-abortionist escapee here in the Memphis area. He's seen
what happened at the World Trade Center. A small commuter plane would do a
great job on an abortion clinic, or on an animal research facility, or on a
local synagogue, mosque, etc., etc., None of us is immune. Take some time
and consider your actions if this event should ever happen to you. My
prayer is none of you ever have to face this kind of decision.
Best of luck to you, and may God Bless
#2

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I remember the FedEx hijack attempt like it was last week. The injuries inflicted on that flight crew were unbelievable, but they did manage to get the plane turned around and on the ground.
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I think that pilots will have about as many ideas on how to stop this as we have...
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">I can think of nothing more
satisfying than watching a ball of burning phosphorous embedded into a
fanatic's gut, burning its way through him.[/B]</font>
satisfying than watching a ball of burning phosphorous embedded into a
fanatic's gut, burning its way through him.[/B]</font>
(Can anyone confirm whether it's possible/likely to be both a FedEx pilot and a police officer?)
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I like this quote
"Miss, can I have another Coke?"
[BANG]
The overall sentiment is true, very true. The bottom line is the next time there's a hijacking, it'll probably be by a copy-cat group. Terrorists know it won't work anymore, because the pax will rise up. If I am on a terrorist hijacked plane, I might as well assume I'm dead anyway.. Now to save the collateral damage.
<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Fill every vacant seat with armed Police - give them a donut -
and tell them to shoot anyone who gives your Flight Attendant any **** .</font>
and tell them to shoot anyone who gives your Flight Attendant any **** .</font>
[BANG]
The overall sentiment is true, very true. The bottom line is the next time there's a hijacking, it'll probably be by a copy-cat group. Terrorists know it won't work anymore, because the pax will rise up. If I am on a terrorist hijacked plane, I might as well assume I'm dead anyway.. Now to save the collateral damage.
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Flares - they just bounce off the person (I handled a case involving a little boy who accidentally shot his sister in the face with a flare gun - her only physical injury was a cut, on the nose, from the plastic wadding).
Cockpit doors - I understand the current passion for lockable cockpit doors. However, in the case of Egyptair, Thai (I think) and maybe some others, the risk was *inside* the cockpit door, not outside.
Cockpit doors - I understand the current passion for lockable cockpit doors. However, in the case of Egyptair, Thai (I think) and maybe some others, the risk was *inside* the cockpit door, not outside.
#7
Join Date: Jun 2001
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Look- it's so simple...
Just have pilots grease the cockpit door and flight controls with pig fat. That will stop the Islamic hijackers at least.
Just have pilots grease the cockpit door and flight controls with pig fat. That will stop the Islamic hijackers at least.
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Join Date: Oct 2001
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Stop the INSANITY!!!
The answer to fighting highjackers and terrorists lies in outsmarting them, not a wildwest shootout!
The US leads the world in technology. We already have all the tools to prevent highjackings from happening in the first place--this is not a mission to Mars! It is just a question of who is going to pay for it. I say add it as a security tax to our airline tickets.
We don't need to resort to hand to hand combat with axes! This might be more dramatic but I think most passengers would prefer not to have "a war" in the cabin.
You may be a police officer, however you are definitely NOT A SKY MARSHALL and that is EXACTLY why they are specially trained to subdue highjackers without putting passengers at peril and this is EXACTLY why President Bush and most of Congress were against arming pilots.
The answer to fighting highjackers and terrorists lies in outsmarting them, not a wildwest shootout!
The US leads the world in technology. We already have all the tools to prevent highjackings from happening in the first place--this is not a mission to Mars! It is just a question of who is going to pay for it. I say add it as a security tax to our airline tickets.
We don't need to resort to hand to hand combat with axes! This might be more dramatic but I think most passengers would prefer not to have "a war" in the cabin.
You may be a police officer, however you are definitely NOT A SKY MARSHALL and that is EXACTLY why they are specially trained to subdue highjackers without putting passengers at peril and this is EXACTLY why President Bush and most of Congress were against arming pilots.
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The Post Above By Cafe Specific is DEEPLY OFFENSIVE and I Hope Everyone On HERE AGREES WITH ME>
ISLAM is a very peaceful religion and we should never lump everyone that is Islamic as terrorists. The pig fat remark just shows your ignorance and misplaced hate.
Think about this-- Serbians are Christians and they slaughtered thousands of Bosnian and Albanian Muslims, does that make ALL Christians bad? Does everything that Rev. Jerry Falwell or Rev. Jesse Jackson says or does represent the BELIEFS OF ALL CHRISTIANS?
These Terrorists are no more good Muslims than Nazis were good Christians.
Terrorist organizations based on the pretense of religion are the most dangerous--there are many examples throughout the history of man.
For your sake, please pick up a copy of Time or Newsweek Magazine and educate yourself on the issue.
ISLAM is a very peaceful religion and we should never lump everyone that is Islamic as terrorists. The pig fat remark just shows your ignorance and misplaced hate.
Think about this-- Serbians are Christians and they slaughtered thousands of Bosnian and Albanian Muslims, does that make ALL Christians bad? Does everything that Rev. Jerry Falwell or Rev. Jesse Jackson says or does represent the BELIEFS OF ALL CHRISTIANS?
These Terrorists are no more good Muslims than Nazis were good Christians.
Terrorist organizations based on the pretense of religion are the most dangerous--there are many examples throughout the history of man.
For your sake, please pick up a copy of Time or Newsweek Magazine and educate yourself on the issue.
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I've been thinking about this. I teach in a public high school. I'm a big guy, the size of the average barn door. Not fat. Big! I carry an old, hard-sided brief case to and from school and it is near in my class room. I haven't weighed it, but I would guess it weighs 40 pounds. I have used it as a wedge to get through crowds, a shield when a student lunged at me in clas, and as a bettering ram. We are NOT allowed to touch our students even when they are out of hand: so the fellow who ended up running into my briefcase was very surprised. Instead of hitting nuts, he hit a brick wall.
All it is is an old leather brief case with square corners. Totally legal going through security. Does this give anyone ideas of how to defend oneself when necessary?
All it is is an old leather brief case with square corners. Totally legal going through security. Does this give anyone ideas of how to defend oneself when necessary?
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Jim In LA
I think you misunderstood my intentions. I'm not anti-Islamic. In fact, I've spent quite some time in that part of the world (both in strict Islamic and more relaxed countries), so I feel I have a deeper understanding of Islam than most Westerners.
I'll let you in on a little secret: Islam preaches that if you touch pig fat just before dying, you will go to hell. I'm sure that will trouble the very extremist Muslim hijackers, not that all hijackers Muslim.
Just my point of view which I'm entitled to.
I think you misunderstood my intentions. I'm not anti-Islamic. In fact, I've spent quite some time in that part of the world (both in strict Islamic and more relaxed countries), so I feel I have a deeper understanding of Islam than most Westerners.
I'll let you in on a little secret: Islam preaches that if you touch pig fat just before dying, you will go to hell. I'm sure that will trouble the very extremist Muslim hijackers, not that all hijackers Muslim.
Just my point of view which I'm entitled to.
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Cafe Specific:
I'll let you in on a little secret: Islam preaches that if you touch pig fat just before dying, you will go to hell. I'm sure that will trouble the very extremist Muslim hijackers, not that all hijackers Muslim.</font>
I'll let you in on a little secret: Islam preaches that if you touch pig fat just before dying, you will go to hell. I'm sure that will trouble the very extremist Muslim hijackers, not that all hijackers Muslim.</font>
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And what about an Islamic pilot? I'd sure hate to be one right about now, but as there are millions of law-abiding Islamic citizens in this country, I'm sure a few of them are commercial pilots. How would they get into the cockpit?
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by Cafe Specific:
Jim In LA
I think you misunderstood my intentions. I'm not anti-Islamic. In fact, I've spent quite some time in that part of the world (both in strict Islamic and more relaxed countries), so I feel I have a deeper understanding of Islam than most Westerners.
I'll let you in on a little secret: Islam preaches that if you touch pig fat just before dying, you will go to hell. I'm sure that will trouble the very extremist Muslim hijackers, not that all hijackers Muslim.
Just my point of view which I'm entitled to. </font>
Jim In LA
I think you misunderstood my intentions. I'm not anti-Islamic. In fact, I've spent quite some time in that part of the world (both in strict Islamic and more relaxed countries), so I feel I have a deeper understanding of Islam than most Westerners.
I'll let you in on a little secret: Islam preaches that if you touch pig fat just before dying, you will go to hell. I'm sure that will trouble the very extremist Muslim hijackers, not that all hijackers Muslim.
Just my point of view which I'm entitled to. </font>
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I thought the pig fat idea was hilarious. Lighten up, it was just a joke!

