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Is there any known method to ensure I avoid Swoop or Sunwing aircraft?

Is there any known method to ensure I avoid Swoop or Sunwing aircraft?

Old Oct 6, 2023, 10:28 am
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Is there any known method to ensure I avoid Swoop or Sunwing aircraft?

I noticed on a recent booking that Google Flights showed 29" of legroom on a Westjet flight. I think that means it's a former Swoop or Sunwing aircraft... but I don't know if Google Flights is trustworthy on that?

Short version is if I am getting ULCC legroom, I'm not paying Westjet's high fares.

Obviously equipment swaps can always happen but that's a risk I'm willing to accept.. versus accepting the crappy aircraft from the outset
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Old Oct 6, 2023, 10:56 am
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Originally Posted by thatdaveguy
I noticed on a recent booking that Google Flights showed 29" of legroom on a Westjet flight. I think that means it's a former Swoop or Sunwing aircraft... but I don't know if Google Flights is trustworthy on that?

Short version is if I am getting ULCC legroom, I'm not paying Westjet's high fares.

Obviously equipment swaps can always happen but that's a risk I'm willing to accept.. versus accepting the crappy aircraft from the outset
A surefire way of ensuring that you don't get a former Swoop or Sunwing aircraft is to buy a ticket on someone other than Westjet - otherwise you are at their mercies.
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Old Oct 6, 2023, 11:13 am
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Originally Posted by thatdaveguy
I noticed on a recent booking that Google Flights showed 29" of legroom on a Westjet flight. I think that means it's a former Swoop or Sunwing aircraft... but I don't know if Google Flights is trustworthy on that?

Short version is if I am getting ULCC legroom, I'm not paying Westjet's high fares.

Obviously equipment swaps can always happen but that's a risk I'm willing to accept.. versus accepting the crappy aircraft from the outset
Look up the flight you want to buy on WestJet's website. All-economy aircraft are 737-800s, (which are the ex-Swoop ones) are labelled quite clearly I believe as "all economy aircraft" and it won't be selling premium fares. The aircraft code is 7S8 compared with existing WestJet planes which are 73H. All 7373-700s are WestJet's.
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Old Oct 6, 2023, 11:34 am
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Pretty certain ex-Swoop and Sunwing aircraft are used on a specific routes, also. So you're going to see these aircraft on sun routes (a la Rouge) and on former Swoop routes. If you're not flying those, I think you're going to be pretty safe, with the exception, as you said, of aircraft swaps due to IRROPS.
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Old Oct 6, 2023, 12:04 pm
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Over time all 737s will be getting the ULCC seat pitch behind the wing emergency exit rows and several rows in front of the wing. The only way to avoid this completely (besides IROPs) is to pay for extra legroom for a specific seat at booking time. The default in the future is the lowest price will be for a ULCC seat, assuming at that time those seats will be comparable in price to ULCCs such as Flair on that same route.
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Old Oct 6, 2023, 12:31 pm
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The only surefire way I can think of is to book a route that's served by 787 and not 737. Planned well, it's possible to fly YYZ - YVR in this way, for example.
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Old Oct 6, 2023, 10:21 pm
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Originally Posted by JetFuelBlood
Look up the flight you want to buy on WestJet's website. All-economy aircraft are 737-800s, (which are the ex-Swoop ones) are labelled quite clearly I believe as "all economy aircraft" and it won't be selling premium fares. The aircraft code is 7S8 compared with existing WestJet planes which are 73H. All 7373-700s are WestJet's.
good tips! Thanks all

I was naive enough to be excited as I thought Westjet was elevating the market by shutting down 2 crappy carriers. Now I see they are just downgrading to an ULCC altogether

I sure hate that ACA has left the Prairies
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Old Oct 6, 2023, 10:22 pm
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Originally Posted by tjk1976
The only surefire way I can think of is to book a route that's served by 787 and not 737. Planned well, it's possible to fly YYZ - YVR in this way, for example.
no WJA 787 service at YEG except for an occasional red eye
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Old Oct 7, 2023, 6:31 am
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Yikes, just booked a cheap WestJet flight from YHZ-MCO without really looking at the details, now I think itll be one of these planes. I guess thats what you get for a $320 ticket.
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Old Oct 7, 2023, 12:54 pm
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It's not all bad, depending on how much value you put into seat selection, it's not that much more to select the extra legroom. On a flight I recently booked it was $26-$29 for a cramped seat (29"?), or $47 for an extra legroom seat (34-36" I think)
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Old Oct 7, 2023, 1:24 pm
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Originally Posted by TripleQ
It's not all bad, depending on how much value you put into seat selection, it's not that much more to select the extra legroom. On a flight I recently booked it was $26-$29 for a cramped seat (29"?), or $47 for an extra legroom seat (34-36" I think)
If theyre available! In my case my work books my travel so I can only select seats after its finalized

Air Canada shows seat availability when looking at fares, I think with WestJet you can only look by diving deep into the booking process
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Old Oct 13, 2023, 10:52 pm
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Lovely, looks like my Dec 22 Westjet YEG to YYZ is on these Swoop planes. I didnt buy a Swoop flight. My knees dont fit in regular Swoop seats. Not happy. Hoping Westjet will assign me a seat that works.otherwise Ill write to Delta after the fact as I used Skymiles. Its quite a sneaky move and sucks when half the YEG-YYZ are ex Swoop. Dont think that competes too well with Porter and AC.
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Old Oct 14, 2023, 7:59 am
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Ugh! I would not want to be on an ex Swoop aircraft either, and Im not tall! So sorry to hear that! If possible, could you not cancel your flight and book with AC or Porter?
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Old Oct 14, 2023, 8:55 am
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Originally Posted by YYCguy
Ugh! I would not want to be on an ex Swoop aircraft either, and Im not tall! So sorry to hear that! If possible, could you not cancel your flight and book with AC or Porter?
I could re-book and will keep an eye on options for sure.
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Old Oct 14, 2023, 10:37 am
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Originally Posted by Altaflyer
Lovely, looks like my Dec 22 Westjet YEG to YYZ is on these Swoop planes. I didn’t buy a Swoop flight. My knees don’t fit in regular Swoop seats. Not happy. Hoping Westjet will assign me a seat that works….otherwise I’ll write to Delta after the fact as I used Skymiles. It’s quite a sneaky move and sucks when half the YEG-YYZ are ex Swoop. Don’t think that competes too well with Porter and AC.
Just checking one of the flights on Dec 22, the exit row 16 still has seats available at about $50, which give the same legroom as the exit row on other WS 737-800s. It is clearly marked before you even select any flight that the aircraft has "Economy seats only" and the aircraft type is 737-800 7S8
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