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Old Jun 8, 2020, 11:40 am
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Originally Posted by Frequentlander
It's three weeks later and I am yet to receive a response from Marc Garneau in his capacity of either MP or Minister of Transportation. Note this this the same level of attention I would have received from a potted plant.
Did you send it to his parliamentary e-mail or TC e-mail? When I first wrote him, I just used the @parl.gc.ca address, but got an auto-reply that it was only for constituency business (anything else would be ignored) and any e-mails relating to Transport Canada needed to be sent there ([email protected]).

That being said, although I got an auto-reply acknowledging receipt of my e-mail, I've never received a response (2.5 months) and don't expect to.

I've written to my own MP (a Conservative) a couple of times. The first time, never heard anything back. The second time, I did receive a reply and exchanged a couple of e-mails with either the MP or a staffer. The tone was generally supportive, but with a dash of defence for the airlines' conduct - a politician's response. Some folks have posted their correspondence with their MPs over in the similar thread to this one on the AC forum.
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Old Jun 8, 2020, 12:20 pm
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Originally Posted by Adam Smith
Did you send it to his parliamentary e-mail or TC e-mail? When I first wrote him, I just used the @parl.gc.ca address, but got an auto-reply that it was only for constituency business (anything else would be ignored) and any e-mails relating to Transport Canada needed to be sent there ([email protected]).

That being said, although I got an auto-reply acknowledging receipt of my e-mail, I've never received a response (2.5 months) and don't expect to.

I've written to my own MP (a Conservative) a couple of times. The first time, never heard anything back. The second time, I did receive a reply and exchanged a couple of e-mails with either the MP or a staffer. The tone was generally supportive, but with a dash of defence for the airlines' conduct - a politician's response. Some folks have posted their correspondence with their MPs over in the similar thread to this one on the AC forum.
I had exactly the same experience with Garneau. I e-mailed his parliamentary address and got the auto response that told me that for TC issues I should e-mail the other address - which I did. No response after three weeks. I'm not surprised, it's more or less what I expected.

I realize that we all have to do our little bit to get Mr. Garneau his seat on the AC board of directors one day.
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Old Jun 8, 2020, 5:47 pm
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Originally Posted by YYCCL3
Here is the refund schedule.
Originally Posted by YYCCL3
It's from WestJet's refund policy update which was released this week. I decided against sharing it in a public forum as it might not be kosher.
To which flights does this apply? US/UK only?
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Old Jun 9, 2020, 4:57 am
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Originally Posted by Adam Smith
To which flights does this apply? US/UK only?
Yes, that's correct. "Wholly domestic, European, Caribbean/Mexico" trips are not part of this refund policy yet.
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Old Jun 9, 2020, 7:10 am
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Originally Posted by YYCCL3
Yes, that's correct. "Wholly domestic, European, Caribbean/Mexico" trips are not part of this refund policy yet.
When Canadian the government is taking a hands off approach, the airlines can pick and choose who gets what refund and when - if at all.

There is no consumer protection.

The only arm twisting that is having any effect is USDOT and EU 261 in the UK (which is itself ironic). Canadian Government is having no effect here.
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Old Jun 9, 2020, 7:23 am
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Originally Posted by Frequentlander
When Canadian the government is taking a hands off approach, the airlines can pick and choose who gets what refund and when - if at all.

There is no consumer protection.

The only arm twisting that is having any effect is USDOT and EU 261 in the UK (which is itself ironic). Canadian Government is having no effect here.
Sad that the United States and European Union are providing more consumer protection to Canadians in this case than the actual Canadian government.
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Old Jun 9, 2020, 5:34 pm
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Originally Posted by YYCCL3
Yes, that's correct. "Wholly domestic, European, Caribbean/Mexico" trips are not part of this refund policy yet.
So most people are probably going to be 3+ months to get their money back, when the US requires them in 7 business days and the EU has a similar timeframe? Not good enough, in my view - justice delayed is justice denied. I know the EU has said they're willing to be a bit flexible on timelines, but that schedule is just ridiculous.

Originally Posted by heraclitus
Sad that the United States and European Union are providing more consumer protection to Canadians in this case than the actual Canadian government.
Yup. Write your MP and write Marc Garneau, Minister of Transportation. The only recourse that we, as consumers, currently have is to try to pressure our elected officials to come to our defence instead of the airlines'. Nothing may come of it, but if we do nothing, you can guarantee that the government won't either.
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Old Jun 9, 2020, 6:35 pm
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Originally Posted by YYCCL3
Yes, that's correct. "Wholly domestic, European, Caribbean/Mexico" trips are not part of this refund policy yet.
I have a flight FCO > SFO but with connection at YYZ. Does it apply to the whole itinerary or just the YYZ>SFO leg?
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Old Jun 10, 2020, 5:14 am
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Originally Posted by heraclitus
Sad that the United States and European Union are providing more consumer protection to Canadians in this case than the actual Canadian government.
Actually not even the EU at this point - it's the US of A and the British CAA. I really wonder what the CAA has told them (or has in their regulation wording) that has encouraged WS to refund journeys that include the UK but not, for instance, CDG or FCO, or DUB.
Originally Posted by Adam Smith
So most people are probably going to be 3+ months to get their money back, when the US requires them in 7 business days and the EU has a similar timeframe? Not good enough, in my view - justice delayed is justice denied. I know the EU has said they're willing to be a bit flexible on timelines, but that schedule is just ridiculous.
Yup

Originally Posted by herquiethands
I have a flight FCO > SFO but with connection at YYZ. Does it apply to the whole itinerary or just the YYZ>SFO leg?
I believe if the the YYZ SFO leg was cancelled by WS the whole itinerary would be eligible for refund.
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Old Jun 13, 2020, 5:41 pm
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Originally Posted by YYCCL3
Here is the refund schedule.
Please explain the PNR statuses of UN, UC and NO
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Old Jun 13, 2020, 6:30 pm
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Originally Posted by taupo
Please explain the PNR statuses of UN, UC and NO
https://support.travelport.com/webhe...atus_Codes.htm
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Old Jun 13, 2020, 9:01 pm
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I find code DX very intriguing
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Old Jun 14, 2020, 10:14 am
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Might have something to do with married segment logic.
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Old Jun 17, 2020, 10:10 am
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Went online and requested a call back yesterday, 676 minutes. They called after only 260 minutes.
They processed refunds for our US trips that were cancelled in April, $6,195.
The agent asked if I had received an email which I hadn't. Just said that I know that June 16th is the day refunds can be processed for flights in early April.

Thank you once again FT and in particular YYCL3 in this case.
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Old Jun 17, 2020, 8:02 pm
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Originally Posted by taupo
Went online and requested a call back yesterday, 676 minutes. They called after only 260 minutes.
They processed refunds for our US trips that were cancelled in April, $6,195.
The agent asked if I had received an email which I hadn't. Just said that I know that June 16th is the day refunds can be processed for flights in early April.

Thank you once again FT and in particular YYCL3 in this case.
I'm surprised they processed the refund without you having received the e-mail. I had a cancelled transborder flight in March 2020. Despite calling on two occasions, both agents refused to process the refund until I receive the email in question. Even after checking and telling me I should qualify for a refund.
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