No ATC delay at DEN
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No ATC delay at DEN
From the FAA. Just be aware if UA is trying to blame a delay on the weather.
The Ground Stop due to [ AIRLINE REQUEST DUE TO GATE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH DEICING. DO NOT CHARGE AS AN ATC DELAY!
ASQ GJS RPA SKW TCF INCLUDED! ] to airport [ DEN ]
The Ground Stop due to [ AIRLINE REQUEST DUE TO GATE ISSUES ASSOCIATED WITH DEICING. DO NOT CHARGE AS AN ATC DELAY!
ASQ GJS RPA SKW TCF INCLUDED! ] to airport [ DEN ]
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Wouldn't deicing be a weather delay?
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When/where did you see that message? It's not on the FAA's OIS nor is it in a format I've seen before from the FAA's system (not that I've seen everything).
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EDIT: I see now (Ground stop/hold for flights going into DEN due to deicing snarling traffic at DEN), but I still think this is probably counted as a weather delay since the root cause is deicing.
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I get emails on all airport delays in the US emailed to me from [email protected]. I have caught UA and AA lying to me about delays not being their fault to get my hotel paid.
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No. The issue at hand is whether UA will provide a voucher for a hotel room if you are stuck at DEN overnight due to a circumstance within UA's control. Under UA's own COC, if you are not originating at DEN, the delay is not within UA's control and you are stuck, you will get your voucher subject to availability.
As to your "prepaid" question, the answer is generally no. UA is not responsible for consequential damages. In other words, expenses you incur downstream. Prepaid hotels are one of them, the fact that you take a car service because the renatl car place is closed and so on.
As to your "prepaid" question, the answer is generally no. UA is not responsible for consequential damages. In other words, expenses you incur downstream. Prepaid hotels are one of them, the fact that you take a car service because the renatl car place is closed and so on.
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At the time you posted Denver was 3/4 mile, with snow and runway RVR's being reported. No weather, really?
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Anyone know? I would imagine it has something to do with visibility and the amount of flights at the time.
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Delays caused by Force Majure Events (events outside of UA's control) are excluded from this obligation.
From the UA CoC:
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Force Majeure Event – any of the following situations: a) Any condition beyond UA’s control including, but not limited to, meteorological or geological conditions, acts of God, riots, terrorist activities, civil commotions, embargoes, wars, hostilities, disturbances, or unsettled international conditions, either actual, anticipated, threatened or reported, or any delay, demand, circumstances, or requirement due directly or indirectly to such condition; b) Any strike, work stoppage, slowdown, lockout, or any other labor-related dispute involving or affecting UA’s services; c) Any governmental regulation, demand or requirement; d) Any shortage of labor, fuel, or facilities of UA or others; e) Damage to UA’s Aircraft or equipment caused by another party; f) Any emergency situation requiring immediate care or protection for a person or property; or g) Any event not reasonably foreseen, anticipated or predicted by UA.
Deicing is clearly a meteorological condition and therefore a Force Majure Event.
I am still confused by your posting. The text you originally posted seemed to just be making clear that the ground stop was requested by UA due to their deicing operations and noting to the reader that the delay is not ATC initiated. I assume delay would be noted as a weather delay by UA. You realize that the airline is responsible for determining and recording the reason for flight delays and not the FAA, right?
Last edited by kenn0223; Jan 14, 2014 at 12:04 pm






