Predictions for the end of VX!
#31
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If you're flying only the legacies, why are you so concerned about my company? Let's give my company that I work my a** off for, a little love ^
What's great about this industry is that there is a carrier / alliance for everyone. Some people only want to fly the legacies, some people fly both the legacies and VX and some people fly the bottom-of-the-barrel NK and G4. We, fortunately get a lot of people who fly AA/UA and us very often. I had a few AA EXP's in my FC from LAX - BOS and SFO - JFK this week, so there are quite a few who enjoy what the legacies offer as well as what we offer. I am one who enjoys both the VX product and AA (despite their service flaws). This industry is big enough for everyone. Now if we can just start to translate our high load factors into consistent profits

We work extremely hard at VX to create a product that people love. Posts like this are very disheartening, but despite that, I am always open to everyone's points of view.
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If you're flying only the legacies, why are you so concerned about my company? Let's give my company that I work my a** off for, a little love ^
What's great about this industry is that there is a carrier / alliance for everyone. Some people only want to fly the legacies, some people fly both the legacies and VX and some people fly the bottom-of-the-barrel NK and G4. We, fortunately get a lot of people who fly AA/UA and us very often. I had a few AA EXP's in my FC from LAX - BOS and SFO - JFK this week, so there are quite a few who enjoy what the legacies offer as well as what we offer. I am one who enjoys both the VX product and AA (despite their service flaws). This industry is big enough for everyone. Now if we can just start to translate our high load factors into consistent profits
We work extremely hard at VX to create a product that people love. Posts like this are very disheartening, but despite that, I am always open to everyone's points of view.
What's great about this industry is that there is a carrier / alliance for everyone. Some people only want to fly the legacies, some people fly both the legacies and VX and some people fly the bottom-of-the-barrel NK and G4. We, fortunately get a lot of people who fly AA/UA and us very often. I had a few AA EXP's in my FC from LAX - BOS and SFO - JFK this week, so there are quite a few who enjoy what the legacies offer as well as what we offer. I am one who enjoys both the VX product and AA (despite their service flaws). This industry is big enough for everyone. Now if we can just start to translate our high load factors into consistent profits

We work extremely hard at VX to create a product that people love. Posts like this are very disheartening, but despite that, I am always open to everyone's points of view.
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If you're flying only the legacies, why are you so concerned about my company? Let's give my company that I work my a** off for, a little love ^
What's great about this industry is that there is a carrier / alliance for everyone. Some people only want to fly the legacies, some people fly both the legacies and VX and some people fly the bottom-of-the-barrel NK and G4. We, fortunately get a lot of people who fly AA/UA and us very often. I had a few AA EXP's in my FC from LAX - BOS and SFO - JFK this week, so there are quite a few who enjoy what the legacies offer as well as what we offer. I am one who enjoys both the VX product and AA (despite their service flaws). This industry is big enough for everyone. Now if we can just start to translate our high load factors into consistent profits
We work extremely hard at VX to create a product that people love. Posts like this are very disheartening, but despite that, I am always open to everyone's points of view.
What's great about this industry is that there is a carrier / alliance for everyone. Some people only want to fly the legacies, some people fly both the legacies and VX and some people fly the bottom-of-the-barrel NK and G4. We, fortunately get a lot of people who fly AA/UA and us very often. I had a few AA EXP's in my FC from LAX - BOS and SFO - JFK this week, so there are quite a few who enjoy what the legacies offer as well as what we offer. I am one who enjoys both the VX product and AA (despite their service flaws). This industry is big enough for everyone. Now if we can just start to translate our high load factors into consistent profits

We work extremely hard at VX to create a product that people love. Posts like this are very disheartening, but despite that, I am always open to everyone's points of view.
Threads like these are tasteless and cheap - I don't know why the mods are letting it slide. Whoever started this should be ashamed, really.
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Great, we'll look forward to having you! Where are you headed? Maybe I'll be working F
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If you're flying only the legacies, why are you so concerned about my company? Let's give my company that I work my a** off for, a little love ^
What's great about this industry is that there is a carrier / alliance for everyone. Some people only want to fly the legacies, some people fly both the legacies and VX and some people fly the bottom-of-the-barrel NK and G4. We, fortunately get a lot of people who fly AA/UA and us very often. I had a few AA EXP's in my FC from LAX - BOS and SFO - JFK this week, so there are quite a few who enjoy what the legacies offer as well as what we offer. I am one who enjoys both the VX product and AA (despite their service flaws). This industry is big enough for everyone. Now if we can just start to translate our high load factors into consistent profits
We work extremely hard at VX to create a product that people love. Posts like this are very disheartening, but despite that, I am always open to everyone's points of view.
What's great about this industry is that there is a carrier / alliance for everyone. Some people only want to fly the legacies, some people fly both the legacies and VX and some people fly the bottom-of-the-barrel NK and G4. We, fortunately get a lot of people who fly AA/UA and us very often. I had a few AA EXP's in my FC from LAX - BOS and SFO - JFK this week, so there are quite a few who enjoy what the legacies offer as well as what we offer. I am one who enjoys both the VX product and AA (despite their service flaws). This industry is big enough for everyone. Now if we can just start to translate our high load factors into consistent profits

We work extremely hard at VX to create a product that people love. Posts like this are very disheartening, but despite that, I am always open to everyone's points of view.
If VX folds, at least you will always have the memories of flying for an airline that dared to go against the big guys and had a much better product.
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Was pretty happy to see that a connecting flight on VX wasn't half again (or more) as much as a nonstop out of SEA. No way I can justify entering the SFO Vortex of ATC Hold Doom at a huge premium, which is one of the reasons I haven't patronized VX as much as I could have...
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The one quarter that VX had very good news to report (3rd quarter 2010, its only quarterly net profit), VX released the quarterly results earlier than it has in any quarter before or since - just 40 days after the end of that quarter.
The publicly-held airlines have already begun reporting their 1Q2013 results yet it's already April 19 and still no report from VX of the 2012 year-end/4th quarter results. Last year, the 2011 year-end numbers weren't released until May 4 and those numbers were not encouraging.
The DOT released its fourth quarter fare data this week - there are some clues in that data about the financial performance of VX in the fourth quarter.
My guess is that we'll have a lot more data on which to base a prediction within three weeks or so.
The publicly-held airlines have already begun reporting their 1Q2013 results yet it's already April 19 and still no report from VX of the 2012 year-end/4th quarter results. Last year, the 2011 year-end numbers weren't released until May 4 and those numbers were not encouraging.
The DOT released its fourth quarter fare data this week - there are some clues in that data about the financial performance of VX in the fourth quarter.
My guess is that we'll have a lot more data on which to base a prediction within three weeks or so.
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If you're flying only the legacies, why are you so concerned about my company? Let's give my company that I work my a** off for, a little love ^
What's great about this industry is that there is a carrier / alliance for everyone. Some people only want to fly the legacies, some people fly both the legacies and VX and some people fly the bottom-of-the-barrel NK and G4. We, fortunately get a lot of people who fly AA/UA and us very often. I had a few AA EXP's in my FC from LAX - BOS and SFO - JFK this week, so there are quite a few who enjoy what the legacies offer as well as what we offer. I am one who enjoys both the VX product and AA (despite their service flaws). This industry is big enough for everyone. Now if we can just start to translate our high load factors into consistent profits
We work extremely hard at VX to create a product that people love. Posts like this are very disheartening, but despite that, I am always open to everyone's points of view.
What's great about this industry is that there is a carrier / alliance for everyone. Some people only want to fly the legacies, some people fly both the legacies and VX and some people fly the bottom-of-the-barrel NK and G4. We, fortunately get a lot of people who fly AA/UA and us very often. I had a few AA EXP's in my FC from LAX - BOS and SFO - JFK this week, so there are quite a few who enjoy what the legacies offer as well as what we offer. I am one who enjoys both the VX product and AA (despite their service flaws). This industry is big enough for everyone. Now if we can just start to translate our high load factors into consistent profits

We work extremely hard at VX to create a product that people love. Posts like this are very disheartening, but despite that, I am always open to everyone's points of view.
Your company does one good thing-keeping fares low on my preferred carriers, I will admit that.
As for better service, legacies clearly aren't trying to improve given the latest changes at UA/DL, so how is your airline improving US domestic service?
(Internationally I can fly LAN to SA, a number of E Asian carriers to Asia, and IB to Europe that have better service while being able to obtain 100% mileage on deep discount fares.)
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Actually, hopefully what this thread will accomplish is keep all the chatter on this topic in this thread, and have all the other clutter detracting from the topics in other threads, sent to this thread.
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T3 at LAX on AA maps
All of the AA material now show T3 gate presence on the LAX map. They did not seem to indicate just AS either. Not sure what is going on except the bunch of new AA flights coming late summer to LAX.
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I Like The Way U Think!
As a PHX resident, I have yet to experience these options you speak of. VX could disappear tomorrow and I wouldn't notice. By this point I wouldn't care.
I can only hope that when/if VX goes under, AA grabs some of the assets like the LAX T3 gates, any JFK slots and most of SFO T2.
I can only hope that when/if VX goes under, AA grabs some of the assets like the LAX T3 gates, any JFK slots and most of SFO T2.
Had the option to fly on VX several times. When they 1st started up, I really considered flying them. Once I looked deeper into their FF however...UH, NO!!!
If VX dies, then it's by their own sword. Want to compete in the US, then give us a decent FF program vs the one they have now
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AS has moved to T-6, leaving VX and B6 as the current tennants in T-3.

