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gfunkdave Aug 31, 2008 11:37 am

So what I think you're saying is that you had a full passport and didn't bother ahead of time to get more pages or a new passport, and it's somehow the government's fault?

What's the saying..."lack of planning on your part does not constitute an emergency on mine", I believe...


Originally Posted by dcutcher (Post 10288362)
in June of this year added ~13 pages lettered A-Z to both our passports, after R and I, U.S. citizens, applied there and left our passports for ~48 hours.
On R's arrival at Pearson (YYZ) the agent had said something to the effect, "Congratulations, you are now illegal," meaning "You have no more space available, even for an exit stamp."
On their behalf, tho, I must say, Consulate staff were especially gracious, and sped us ahead of others waiting.
Unlike R, I had 6-7 empty pages in my ~6 months old/ recently-renewed passport, and still the consulate added in the extra pages, anyway.
What does seem ill thought-out tho', is why the people who are requiring and supplying passport control aren't also the agents who can help the passport owner meet those (gummint) exigensies, in this case, on-the-spot extra pages.:confused: And especially because it took heroic perseverance to battle through convoluted red tape both online and on the phone, to find out particulars about where, when, and how to get more pages. (You don't think the agent at the airport proffered any of that info, do you? Silly you!!!:td:)


gfunkdave Aug 31, 2008 11:38 am


Originally Posted by soitgoes (Post 10286298)
State currently lists wait times of 4 weeks for standard service and 2 for expedited. http://travel.state.gov/passport/get...sing_1740.html

While you can add pages for free, given your impending expiration, I would just renew. When you do, you may wish to request extra pages (enclose a signed letter with your application) so that you get them from the get go.

They listed those wait times for me too. I had my passport with extra pages within 8 days of mailing it.

soitgoes Aug 31, 2008 12:05 pm


Originally Posted by dcutcher (Post 10288362)
What does seem ill thought-out tho', is why the people who are requiring and supplying passport control aren't also the agents who can help the passport owner meet those (gummint) exigensies, in this case, on-the-spot extra pages.... (You don't think the agent at the airport proffered any of that info, do you? Silly you!!!:td:)

Canadian border control agents have no authority to amend or alter (including adding additional pages) to another country's passport.

Furthermore, not every county even adds extra pages to their passports; some countries make you get a new passport.

Billman27 Aug 31, 2008 1:27 pm

So when are the 48 pagers or 51 pager?
 
Hey guys,

I really just want to know when they will start issuing the 48 pager passports again. I am on my third set of inserts and the passport is in bad shape, mostly due to the inserts. UK already has the "jumbo passport" so what's the deal with USA passports. If it's a cost thing, surely frequent travelers would be more then willing to bear the extra cost?

Any ideas?

Billman

Christopher Aug 31, 2008 2:59 pm

Both the UK and Australia will issue passports with more pages (on request at the time of application, and for payment of a higher fee, of course). It is useful for frequent travellers. I don't *think* that either country adds extra pages to a passport though (the UK used to, but I don't think it does now), so if there are no blank pages and you need them, then you'd have to apply for a new passport.

techgirl Aug 31, 2008 3:30 pm


Originally Posted by ajax (Post 10287143)
Let me add one more thing: I think regulations may have changed in the past couple of years (someone with more knowledge of this than I, please feel free to comment).

For the first couple of extra page sets for my US passport that I got (in 2001 and 2004), they had the name of the consulate/embassy written on them. The last set that I got (in 2006) had "US Department of State" written on it.

I got chatting with the woman in the US Embassy in Zagreb. She said that they have changed the regulations whereby embassies no longer issue ten-year passports on the spot. Rather, they issue emergency passports, but all ten-year passports are made in the US.

I got my last US passport renewed through the US Embassy in London. The place of issue reads "US Department of State" (instead of somewhere like Boston, like my previous one). Apparently they send through a batch of passports every day (or every week? I cannot remember) to Washington who makes them all and send them right back.

This change of regulations might explain why some people in the past were able to have four or five sets of extra pages but now they cannot.

No idea on the issuance question (although I recall hearing that from a non-official source) but they definitely still can add pages on the spot at the embassy. The last set I had added (in Singapore two months ago) are nice and pretty and have quotes about liberty and pictures of things like Mount Rushmore.

To the original poster... I wouldn't bother with extra pages given that your trip looks to cut into your six months of validity. Save yourself the potential headache and go ahead and renew.

ajax Aug 31, 2008 3:58 pm


Originally Posted by Christopher (Post 10289052)
Both the UK and Australia will issue passports with more pages (on request at the time of application, and for payment of a higher fee, of course). It is useful for frequent travellers. I don't *think* that either country adds extra pages to a passport though (the UK used to, but I don't think it does now), so if there are no blank pages and you need them, then you'd have to apply for a new passport.

My UK passport was issued with 48 pages upon request; I believe it was something extortionate like £103. The UK does not add extra pages to passports. Once it's full, you have to get a new one. I'm not sure about Australia.


Originally Posted by techgirl (Post 10289149)
No idea on the issuance question (although I recall hearing that from a non-official source) but they definitely still can add pages on the spot at the embassy. The last set I had added (in Singapore two months ago) are nice and pretty and have quotes about liberty and pictures of things like Mount Rushmore.

Yes, this is the style of the new US passport. Gone are the state seals on every page; now the pages have various scenes of American landscapes and patriotic quotes. It's no surprise that these are on the supplemental pages as well.

hfly Aug 31, 2008 6:13 pm

This subject comes up in one form or another every 2-3 months on FT. What I am always shocked at is the amount of innacurate and plain wrong info that gets thrown around.

Before delving into it: OP go on your next trip, walk into a US embassy or consulate in your first city, it'll be done on the spot in less than half an hour and it will be free. Do not do it in the US as it is either a hell of a lot more hassle and possibly money.

I currently have SEVEN extensions in my passport, my last set inserted quite recently. The information above stating a limit of three is patently INCORRECT. There is no legal nor procedural bar on having more than three and it seems that certain lazy or incompetant FSO's have tried to make up regs on the spot in certain posts to avoid doing this ( I know they try this crap in Munich on several people for example........seems like Zagreb also does this).

Speculation around these parts is that it is because they scan ones PP pages when adding extensions, and it becomes time consuming for them. The only regulation is that they be affixed to ORIGINAL passport pages and not pages of other extensions, there has NEVER EVER been a regulation that they have to be affixed to BLANK pages (So in effect this means that the limit is 8 - or whatever - to 24 page passports and 16- or whatever- to 48 page passports. Furthermore they are not "taped", they are affixed (bound) into the passport with clear sticky (tape like) attachments that are about half an inch thick and the leaves are bound INTO the extension.

Secondary insecton? Sorry bud, that's CREDIBILITY and the only places that one gets possible problems/delays are Germany, where the ever officious officers attempt to try to examine every page (they normally give up by the 100th) or places like Egypt where they get utterly confused if your newer pages have a different color scheme that your other pages).

The US does not currently issue 48 page passports, hopefully they will again in the future. Since shortly after 9/11 the US stopped printing full passports at foreign postings and started sending them back to the US for processing, this has nothing whatsoever to do with extra pages.

tom911 Aug 31, 2008 7:30 pm


Originally Posted by hfly (Post 10289638)
Before delving into it: OP go on your next trip, walk into a US embassy or consulate in your first city, it'll be done on the spot in less than half an hour and it will be free. Do not do it in the US as it is either a hell of a lot more hassle and possibly money.

Can you walk into any embassy? I was turned away in Wellington NZ and told I had to go to the consulate in Auckland. Was that the exception? Ended up having mine done in Sydney at the consulate there.

soitgoes Aug 31, 2008 8:03 pm


Originally Posted by tom911 (Post 10289840)
Can you walk into any embassy? I was turned away in Wellington NZ and told I had to go to the consulate in Auckland. Was that the exception? Ended up having mine done in Sydney at the consulate there.

Most embassies have a consular section providing American Citizen Services. Wellington appears to be an exception.
http://newzealand.usembassy.gov/service.html

kaszeta Aug 31, 2008 8:15 pm

I've had extra pages quite a few times, but not in the current passport (most of my travel is domestic now).

I am reminded of my brother's passport-of-shame. While he was living in Russia and regularly traveling around the Baltic states and eastern Europe (lots of stamps and visas and such), his passport was stolen. Only problem he had getting a new one from the Embassy in Moscow was getting the passport photo; at the time all Russian passport photos were black-and-white vignette photos. He did manage to get a passport issued by the embassy, but it had a long stamp and explanation on the last page about a "non-compliant photograph", and a 1 year expiration. When he got back to the US, he sent it in with some new photos and a renewal forms, and they sent him back the same passport with with *another* stamp on the second-to-last page extending the expiration date. He then proceeded to need two sets of extra pages added, so within a few years he had a passport with (a) an expired date on the signature page, (b) a questionable non-compliant photo, (c) and being unusually thick, he ended up getting lots of questions every time he tried to use the thing. He finally got rid of it when he started working at the White House, when he applied for his maroon passport they re-issued his regular blue one as well.

sarming Aug 31, 2008 9:01 pm

Limit on extra pages
 
I have three sets of extra pages and when I went to the embassy they had me fill out a long application for extra pages and then came back and said I needed a new passport because there was a limit of three sets of extension pages. They said something about more pages splitting the binding of the passport.

I'm going to try again at a different embassy because getting long term multi-entry visas switched is a real pain and I am not looking forward to arriving with a new passport and a visa in an old (cancelled) passport. Has anyone tried this? Brits must have this experience, though I've also seen two UK passports tied together with a fancy seal to handle the visa situation. I have never heard of the US doing this. Anyone have experience?

soitgoes Aug 31, 2008 9:19 pm


Originally Posted by sarming (Post 10290099)
I'm going to try again at a different embassy because getting long term multi-entry visas switched is a real pain and I am not looking forward to arriving with a new passport and a visa in an old (cancelled) passport. Has anyone tried this?

That depends on the country which issued the visa. Some allow you to use a valid visa in an expired/canceled passport, others make you transfer it, and still others make you apply for a new visa.

TrueBlueFlyer Aug 31, 2008 10:44 pm

not sure if this is off topic or not...


but can you request extra pages in an initial passport application, as in the first US passport issued?


--Russ

soitgoes Aug 31, 2008 10:54 pm


Originally Posted by JerseyVics (Post 10290416)
not sure if this is off topic or not...
but can you request extra pages in an initial passport application, as in the first US passport issued?

Yes. See my post #14 in this very thread!
http://flyertalk.com/forum/showpost....2&postcount=14


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