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Old Jun 20, 2008 | 3:39 am
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Originally Posted by Spiff
That's supply and demand, the free market economy at work.

US (and other airlines) had many opportunities to save cash during good times and come up with solutions that did not alienate loyal passengers when times got tough.

Instead, US chose to screw the pooch with their gross incompetence and their weak attempt to look like a LCC that charges full whack for services.
yep and thats why I havent flown them for 2 years...shame really....I was a Gold with them, making between 3 to 5 flights a year.....and the yearly november trip with the lads to vegas....oh well..... and who remembers the days of the space available upgrades!!
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 2:48 pm
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the schedule changes are in -- looks like they've cut a lot (all?) of the west-operated redeyes. LAS-BOS is losing its redeye -- they've cut the route from three departures (9a/4p/midnight) to two (7a/12noon). the only eastbound redeyes i see now are the east-operated PHL and CLT departures...

(i was booked on the 4pm LAS-BOS in december, but noon is a better time for me anyway, so i was happy with the change.. and i expect several more changes before december..)
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 3:14 pm
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If Vegas wants an airline, how about setting up VegasAir ! (RenoAir comes to mind ... )
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 3:22 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat1A
the schedule changes are in -- looks like they've cut a lot (all?) of the west-operated redeyes. LAS-BOS is losing its redeye -- they've cut the route from three departures (9a/4p/midnight) to two (7a/12noon). the only eastbound redeyes i see now are the east-operated PHL and CLT departures...

(i was booked on the 4pm LAS-BOS in december, but noon is a better time for me anyway, so i was happy with the change.. and i expect several more changes before december..)
When are the schedule changes effective? I have a LAS-BOS redeye on Sept 28. Can you tell me where I can find the new schedules?
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 3:38 pm
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Originally Posted by california09
When are the schedule changes effective? I have a LAS-BOS redeye on Sept 28. Can you tell me where I can find the new schedules?
not any more you don't! looks like the schedules shift during the first week of september. i'm just looking up flight availability on expertflyer, but any travel booking site will do.... i see two LAS-BOS nonstops on 9/28 -- 7:25a and 12:05p.
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 4:25 pm
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Originally Posted by Seat1A
not any more you don't! looks like the schedules shift during the first week of september. i'm just looking up flight availability on expertflyer, but any travel booking site will do.... i see two LAS-BOS nonstops on 9/28 -- 7:25a and 12:05p.
Just check my itinerary on usairways.com - you are absolutely right. Now booked on the 12:05p. Will need to call and have a nice rebooking conversation
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 5:05 pm
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Also, I want to note how surprised I am by some of these cancellations. Can the 12:05p to BOS on Sunday really be more profitable than the redeye? Aren't those flights always packed with the weekend Vegas run? I understand that keeping staff available for late night flights isnt cheap, but it sure seems that this is kicking themselves in the foot (not exactly a surprise for US).

I switched to a connecting flight that night (to PHL). Hopefully that PHL flight wont be canceled.
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Old Jun 23, 2008 | 10:06 pm
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Originally Posted by 3Cforme
Phoenix has too many homes in the sprawling suburbs.
No Phoenix just built too many homes too quickly. There are still people flowing into the state. Not enough to buy the resales and the gut of new homes also.


Phoenix still has big plans to spread out and make the current sprawl look like the middle of the city.
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 12:19 am
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I'm sure WN would be happy to pick up the slack if it is profitable.
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 2:35 am
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That'd need to be an amphibious bus if you're in Adak, Alaska. In practical terms, there is only one way on or off the island, and that's an Alaska Airlines flight twice a week. And the fare to Seattle is more than it costs to fly from Seattle to Turkmenistan (literally).

This service would not exist without a government subsidy. Should everyone who lives on Adak pack up and move? If so, where, your house?

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The truth of the matter is...if a small community suffers a significant economic hardship from the loss of an airline, then they were far too reliant on it to begin with.

It's the community that should be subsidizing the airline to continue some level of service. Asking the federal government to step in because the 20 people/week that need to fly from Podunk to BigCity for a connection flight isn't fair to the other 300 million American taxpayers. If Podunk needs that service so badly, then they can a.) pay to keep it or b.) buy a few shuttle buses and give their residents free rides to the gateway airport.
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 7:14 am
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Originally Posted by BostonMark
Actually, Bob Crandall is calling for partial re-regulation of the airline industry.

http://www.flightglobal.com/articles...egulation.html
Of course he is. It's always the same. As soon an industry is in trouble certain managers will cry for federal help. Let's the tax payer pay the loses of the airline industry. As soon as the airline industry is up and running again the same managers will call for less regulation and less involvement of the evil government so they can keep all the profit for themselves.
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Old Jun 24, 2008 | 10:46 am
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Originally Posted by Travel_intellectual
Airlines are a public utility and have an obligation to the huge tourism industry
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OK, I know this goes against the 'beauty of capitalism' comments in earlier threads but, like it or not, airlines ARE a public utility, and should have certain civil obligations to meet.
This is just simply not true. Since Carter signed the Airline Deregulation Act in 1978, airlines in the United States have not been viewed by the government as public utilities. Rather, they are private companies with no obligation to anyone other than their stakeholders. And they shouldn't be public utilities because deregulatioan has shown that airlines and the American people benefit from a deregulated environment. The reason that Las Vegas is losing flights is that they cannot be operated at the prices people are willing to pay. It is not the responsibility of the airlines to provide cheap flights at a loss so the casino owners can make money even though they have over expanded.
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Old Jun 26, 2008 | 12:45 am
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Originally Posted by bvanderhorst
It is not the responsibility of the airlines to provide cheap flights at a loss so the casino owners can make money even though they have over expanded.
And it is not the nation's responsibility to prop up a "city" which would not exist but for stupendously cheap energy (for flights, for cars, for all those air conditioners and neon lights), now that energy has become much more expensive. If you want to live in the middle of a forbidding desert, you should pay the price.

Closer to topic, WN is not invincible. They cannot just add back whatever lift others are taking out: their hedges only cover 70% of their current operation (so any flights added will have to pay full cost); they've really throttled back on growth plans by cutting 2009 deliveries of new planes in half. Gary Kelly even raised the possibility of reducing capacity in their 1Q earnings call. Plus, they have much more lucrative options on the table, as the majors take the axe to their schedules out of DEN, DFW, and the like.
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