Volcanic Ash Closes UK and other Northern European Airspace

 
Old Apr 15, 10, 5:02 am
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Volcanic Ash Closes UK and other Northern European Airspace

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/tr...-airports.html

Assuming the LHR-PHL flight will be impacted as . Could it possibly some of the 757 routes be affected due to a reroute around the closed airspace?
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Old Apr 15, 10, 5:48 am
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It would appear that the routes originating in the UK or Ireland have canceled. The mainland Europe flights have all departed, which would indicate they were able to take a routing to avoid the "contaminated" air.

#751 - BRU
#799 - AMS
#711 - ZUR
#701 - FRA
#755 - CDG
#741 - MAD
#707 - MUC
#719 - FCO

Canceled:
#721 - DUB
#735 - MAN
#729 - LHR
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Interesting. I'm on 729 in just over a week so hopefully things will have calmed down by then. If not, I guess this would be my opportunity to rebook and get the DEQMs.
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The 767's and A330's to/from Europe, other than Greece for the 767, should have enough range surplus to circumvent the ash cloud barring. The 757's don't have as much range surplus so extra flying distance could result in more fuel stops. Here's just one example - flight 799 from AMS - that shows it going further south till passing the ash cloud area before taking up what appears to be about a great circle routing to N America. Normally it would probably pass over Scotland.

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Interesting that flightaware shows the AMS-PHL flight as a A320 on the 14th and scheduled for tomorrow. That can't be correct.
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It might continue on as that same flight number to another domestic destination, but with an A320.
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Originally Posted by la2clt View Post
Interesting that flightaware shows the AMS-PHL flight as a A320 on the 14th and scheduled for tomorrow. That can't be correct.
A glitch in the data transfer from the FAA I presume, since as you say the A320 is obviously not going to fly AMS-PHL.

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Originally Posted by plon View Post
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/tr...-airports.html

Assuming the LHR-PHL flight will be impacted as . Could it possibly some of the 757 routes be affected due to a reroute around the closed airspace?
If a 747 once experienced the failure of all its engines due to volcanic ash, a 757 would be in even greater peril.
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Originally Posted by fly747first View Post
If a 747 once experienced the failure of all its engines due to volcanic ash, a 757 would be in even greater peril.
All aircraft have to steer clear of the ash but I think the OP was pointing out, as Jim clarified, that the 757s could be more impacted because they may not have the range to "go around" the cloud that the 767 or 330 may have.
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Correct. Of course, with the ash cloud now over at least northern Europe range has nothing to do with it since none of the planes will be allowed (or should) climb or descend through the cloud.

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Interesting. I'm on 729 in just over a week so hopefully things will have calmed down by then. If not, I guess this would be my opportunity to rebook and get the DEQMs.
DEQM's? What DEQM program is currently in place?
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DEQM's? What DEQM program is currently in place?

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Courtesy of Eurocontrol, here is the list of closed airspace and anticipated opening times (which could definitely change):

Belgium: 16-1800z
Denmark: 17-0000z
Estonia: 17-0000z
Finland: 17-0000z
France - Reims ACC: 17-0000z
France - Paris ACC: 17-0000z
France - Brest-north sectors: 1800z
Germany - Langen & Dusseldorf: 17-0000z
Germany - Karlsruhe: 17-0000z
Germany - Bremen: 17-0000z
Germany - Munich-north/east: 17-0000z
Germany - Frankfurt Airspace 17-0000z
Maastricht UAC: 16-1800z
Netherlands: 16-1600z
Norway ENBD limited availabilty/contact FMP for details Poland north: 16-1800z
Poland south: 16-1800z
Republic of Ireland Shannon 16-1800z
Republic of Ireland Dublin: 16-1800z
Sweden: 17-0000z
United Kingdom excluding scotland : 16-2359z
Check republic : 16-1100z
Bratislava : 17-0000z
Austria : from 16 - 1700z - 17 - 0000z
Roumania : from 16 - 2100z - 17-0000z

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