Originally Posted by itsme
(Post 8521493)
Too expensive to deploy some doilies like that on domestic flights, on which I expect seat poaching is more common?
Sometimes it took a lot of protest from us to prevent them from filling middle seats in E+ with their minions. But I understand UA management now taught them much better that this is not the way to do it :cool:. |
Originally Posted by itsme
(Post 8521401)
I have never heard FAs say they will be around to charge credit cards, and I don't think they could do it in any event (can they?). I have heard them say that if pax sitting in E- wish to sit in E+ in the future, they can pay for it prior to boarding, sending the message clearly enough.
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Originally Posted by Peace2Peep
(Post 8521495)
There is not much more irritating than a poacher sitting in the middle seat in E+ and saying something to you as they sit down with their row 40 seating assignment stub with no MP number and saying,"Man I hope you dont mind...it's really packed back there!" Uuugh!
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Originally Posted by itsme
(Post 8522165)
...If you are in A and your wife is in C when this knockout says, "Man I hope you don't mind...." is the dynamic different then? ...
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Originally Posted by itsme
(Post 8522165)
I'll assume that you are male and that the would be poacher is a drop dead gorgeous young woman, is it a little less irritating then? ...
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Originally Posted by Trulyblues
(Post 8521317)
UA's employees represent the company, and they are far too frequently cited on here for not adhering to United's policy, for failing to make the correct call...
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Originally Posted by KathyWdrf
(Post 8452430)
Hmmm, well, it seems that UA's employees are d*mned if they do and d*mned if they don't.
Quite often, they are derided and attacked on this forum for enforcing rules. (Or sometimes, just for existing.) :eek: |
Originally Posted by itsme
(Post 8521401)
I have never heard FAs say they will be around to charge credit cards, and I don't think they could do it in any event (can they?). I have heard them say that if pax sitting in E- wish to sit in E+ in the future, they can pay for it prior to boarding, sending the message clearly enough.
Too expensive to deploy some doilies like that on domestic flights, on which I expect seat poaching is more common? Some FAs and pax might still manage to miss it, but I do think it would help and be well worth the price of those doilies. BTW, is it always "seat poaching" when one moves into a seat other than that which shows on their ticket? I ask because I realize I may be a "seat poacher" in the eyes of some, if "seat poaching" includes moving onself from E+ to E- in order to stretch out across an empty 3-seat row in the back, especially on a red-eye, when one is so fortunate to have such an opportunity. The OP mentioned that part of the problem arose because there was a 320 for 319 swap, which means what was a choice E+ exit row seat assignment becomes without warning a not choice first row of E- seat. I have had that happen to me, and fortunately been able to move forward a row so I could sit in the exit row as I had expected to based on my original seat and aircraft assignment. Not sure how this is to be avoided (ask GA in advance of boarding whether it is still a 319 as scheduled, but sometimes they don't know). It's on the actual aircraft when I have problems with people poaching - next time, I should tell the FA's that they shouldn't be seated in E+ at all if they aren't entitled (it was pretty late in boarding at that point - maybe the FA's were just trying to make sure the flight left the gate on time). At $14 (I think), per seat, that's $42 in UA lost revenue. If 3 short haul E+ seats get poached everyday of the year (clearly, based on the FT boards, an understatement), then that would be $15,330 in lost revenue to UA in a year. That's based on the cheapest possible UA upgrades, if we're talking about the $89 IAD-ZRH upgrades, 3 seats = almost $97,500/year. |
Originally Posted by gfowler-ord-1k
(Post 8522185)
Moving to an empty middle seat is always bad manners unless invited by both people. I would never even consider asking. If there was something wrong with my original seat I would let the FAs handle the situation.
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I've experienced a couple of exit row shenanigans this week and was thinking about this very topic.
On Wednesday, I was flying SJC-DEN exit row window seat with the aisle and middle both empty. After the door closes, a woman in the middle seat in the E- row behind actually pushed her way out of the row (forcing the aisle sitter to get up) and attempted to poach the empty aisle exit seat. A FA just happened to come by at the moment and scolded her back to her original seat. I could hear her grumbling behind me afterwards. I've seen many opportunistic seat swappers before and usually I don't mind as long as there's an empty seat left between us, but this woman was the boldest attempt I've ever seen. I was glad the FA came along when she did to thwart her. The second experience was Friday flying SLC-DEN. I was originally confirmed exit row window but there was an equipment change and I was bumped back one row into E-. Fortunately when I checked in the exit aisle seat was still open so I was able to grab that. A teenager sat down in seat A (this was on a 737 that has the one missing window seat so seat A is the premium spot). She guiltily admitted that she was surprised to have gotten assigned that seat since she wasn't even a M+ member. When a couple came on board filling both middle seats in the row, the teenager, to everyone's surprise voluntarily offered to swap seats with the largish husband scrunched in the middle seat across the aisle. I have to admit that I've never seen anyone do that before. But I was also a bit annoyed since that was supposed to have been my original seat. Turns out the couple were non-revving standby fliers whose son is a new pilot for UX so they were enjoying his newly obtained employment benefits. Not sure how that works but I didn't think that non-revs were allowed E+ seating. |
Originally Posted by mrswirl
(Post 8527820)
I've experienced a couple of exit row shenanigans this week and was thinking about this very topic.
On Wednesday, I was flying SJC-DEN exit row window seat with the aisle and middle both empty. After the door closes, a woman in the middle seat in the E- row behind actually pushed her way out of the row (forcing the aisle sitter to get up) and attempted to poach the empty aisle exit seat. A FA just happened to come by at the moment and scolded her back to her original seat. I could hear her grumbling behind me afterwards. I've seen many opportunistic seat swappers before and usually I don't mind as long as there's an empty seat left between us, but this woman was the boldest attempt I've ever seen. I was glad the FA came along when she did to thwart her. The second experience was Friday flying SLC-DEN. I was originally confirmed exit row window but there was an equipment change and I was bumped back one row into E-. Fortunately when I checked in the exit aisle seat was still open so I was able to grab that. A teenager sat down in seat A (this was on a 737 that has the one missing window seat so seat A is the premium spot). She guiltily admitted that she was surprised to have gotten assigned that seat since she wasn't even a M+ member. When a couple came on board filling both middle seats in the row, the teenager, to everyone's surprise voluntarily offered to swap seats with the largish husband scrunched in the middle seat across the aisle. I have to admit that I've never seen anyone do that before. But I was also a bit annoyed since that was supposed to have been my original seat. Turns out the couple were non-revving standby fliers whose son is a new pilot for UX so they were enjoying his newly obtained employment benefits. Not sure how that works but I didn't think that non-revs were allowed E+ seating. Non-revs get whatever seats they are assigned. Might even be in J or F. I dont ssee why you were upset with the teenager - she didnt choose to take your seat - and I think it was incredibly nice of her to swap |
Originally Posted by jan_az
(Post 8527890)
Non-revs get whatever seats they are assigned. Might even be in J or F. I dont ssee why you were upset with the teenager - she didnt choose to take your seat - and I think it was incredibly nice of her to swap
I was only mildly annoyed at UA that I got bumped out of the seat in the first place. They swaped a 733-1 for a 733-2 and my original 11A seat didn't get automatically reassigned to E+. If I hadn't been able to change seats and got stuck in E- then I would have been more than just a little annoyed. |
Originally Posted by mrswirl
(Post 8527961)
I just thought it was interesting considering she wasn't even a M+ and got E+ and exit row to boot.
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On some flights, I avoid exit rows and just take E+ aisles, as the exit rows are more likely IME to be full vs. having a blocked middle in regular E+.
During the announcements about E+, exit rows, etc., I've heard several FAs/pursers recently say things like, "For those lucky passengers in the exit rows..." I'd prefer they say, "For those customers loyal enough to fly at least 50,000 miles a year and who are seated in our exit rows..." :D It's not about luck, after all! |
My attitude is laissez faire. I paid for a seat whether it be e+, E-, First, whatever. As long as I get that seat, I'm good.
Would I like the whole row to myself? Of course, but the only way to guarantee that is to buy the whole row. So if someone poaches the seat next to me and gets away with it, so be it. Someone posted that it would be okay if you had E+ but decided to move back to E-. Well, if you were sitting in that row in E-, you might have a different opinion. Human psychology is interesting. If you know it's a full flight, you accept that every seat will be taken and even if people are jumping all around, in the end, every seat will be taken. Such is life. But if you know that the flight is half-empty, your primal instinct for territoriality kicks in and you start to feel you "own" the empty seat next to you. I guess for me life is too short to be the poaching cop or the bathroom cop when someone from the cattle hold uses the first class restroom or the meal cop when you feel that someone jumped the line in getting the meal preference and so on. |
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