I'm trying to book tickets from SNA/LAX- KIX

In November. KVS shows F9. etc... 9's all across on every fare.

But when I use KVS and show fares it only pulls up V as 740 dollars....Is there anyway I can force S or T booking class to show up

I'm doing this as part of a mileage run to plan on getting 1P (with the hopes of the double EQM poping up)

No, you cannot force it to show up.

Deja vu?
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/showp...6&postcount=11

So what's the price of the S or T class fare? What makes you want to 'force' these fare classes?

S and T are MUCH MUCH cheaper as they are the deepest discount fares...

I do not know the prices but it should turn up to be at least 100-200 dollars cheaper than the V fare.

If there are no fares below V published (which I checked, and there aren't), that's just the way it is. It's quite common for there to be availability in buckets that can't be booked with the current published fares. If you wait UA might publish lower fares. Or they might not.

It "should"? How would you know? Sometimes S is more expensive than T, sometimes T is more expensive than S, hell- sometimes T is more expensive than W! (yes, I know this is about T and S being cheaper than V - my point is you can NEVER be sure).

If you want a special fare, then go to a consolidator.

Actually, I believe K and L are usually cheaper, but if there's no published S or T fare between your city pairs, you're out of luck. I can't recall ever seeing an S or T fare to Japan (there could have been on a sale fare, I just can't recall seeing them).

Do you even know if there is a published S or T fare in the market???

fumi...what length of stay are you looking at?

On all routes all fare buckets are in the systme. but the fare buckets are only for certain routing. EG the Z class to / from Europe. Z is permantently available from Euurope, but ZSPEC is only every now nad then. So they need the Z seats, for hte return customers, but you can't buy them

9 day stay......

I just flew a S fare to Japan last week

FYI my S fare came out to be 812.12 all in........
V fare was 1200 and change all in

I've actually had a case on a trip, about 18 month ago, between IAD and LAX where S and T fares were published, and even then I couldn't get lower than a W fare despite meeting all restrictions for the published S and T fares, and there being S and T buckets available on the flights I wanted.

I got a really good CSR on the 1K line trying to get my held itinerary down into the S or T bucket, and she got a supervisor involved when she couldn't do it.

No one could get an S or T to come out of UA's system. I supposed I could have forced it, but that would have cost me the on-line booking bonus of 1000 miles, and only saved something like $15.

Yeah, I know I wasted more than $15 worth of time in getting a supervisor involved trying to get the system to work, but by that time it was more a puzzle to be solved, and I'd bet the CSR wanted to try to make the system work like it should a lot more than I did. She's the one that got the supervisor involved - I was just about to give up. I think she was disappointed that I didn't keep pushing the issue after the supervisor couldn't book S or T either. The only thing we could figure out was the fact that I used the multi-city booking engine to force a connection through DEN instead of ORD (all the nonstops were long sold out of S,T,W,V or any decent discount fares...). But even then I couldn't get S or T fares going IAD-ORD-LAX.

I just chalked it up to UA's IT system. I guess it did what it was supposed to - milk another few $$$ out of me.

I've had this problem a lot - since I use KVS I can see available fare classes.

However what I have unfortunately found out is that a significant part of the time - most especially with connecting fares - there are actually 2 types of fare buckets on the same flight.

1 is for the direct city to city, the other is for a 'non-stop' through the connecting city.

Many times now I've been completely unable to book what appears to be available on individual legs, but not when put together (i.e. joining the individual legs and thus removing the double taxes and other UA friction costs).

Really annoying but there you go.

Sometimes I have been able to book these fares via Orbitz or Expedia though!

How do you know that there is a S class fare that meets your parameters and is available for sale at this time?

You should understand the difference between fares and availability before trying to 'force a fare class'.