First Time on UA in 6 years, hopefully never again!
#76
Join Date: Jun 2004
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But we don't know the timing of this scenario.....
Did he come on board at the same time she was starting to go around with the drink tray? Maybe she was busy in the galley setting up that tray - with her back turned - when he got to his seat and she didn't see him come on or start to settle in his seat ?. You can't expect the FA to see or know what 6 or 8 or 12 people are doing all at once while they are settling in.
Did he come on board at the same time she was starting to go around with the drink tray? Maybe she was busy in the galley setting up that tray - with her back turned - when he got to his seat and she didn't see him come on or start to settle in his seat ?. You can't expect the FA to see or know what 6 or 8 or 12 people are doing all at once while they are settling in.
One needs to provide a greater level of detail when posting 1 side of an incident to allow other to have as close to a neutral and complete knowledge of the incident. One sided stories are rarely neutral, so one can make up for that partially by providing every detail possible. Much discussion on this thread, very little actual 1st hand info to draw any conclusions from.
#77
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I fly SFO - HKG in C about 4 to 6 times round trip a year for the past 10 years and what you have experienced was normal for me up to about a year ago. Most of the FAs I have met are elderly with an attitude. Things have changed for the better starting about a year ago and I was wondering what have happened. I see now maybe the senior FAs prefer to see Shanghai instead of Hong Kong.
Its funny. I never, ever have poor experiences with PMUA FAs. PMCO, I've had quite a few. USAirways East, yeesh. But never with PMUA.
#78
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As to multi-tasking bellboys vs. FAs, I've been neither so can't comment which is a more difficult job. I think bellboys get quite a bit of abuse when bags 'take too long to get up' to the room.
#79
Join Date: Sep 2011
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Non-American carriers sometimes have slightly different standards for a variety of safety issues.
#81
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Lots of Americans live in Hong Kong, and some of them work for UA. (I didn't know that all HK flights were staffed by HK crews, but given the fact that all of my HK flights in recent memory have been, this makes sense).
#82
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: HKG, SFO, PVG
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Interesting. Unfortunately this "HK crew" is nothing when it comes to service compared to their CX counterparts who are the real "HK crew". I will try to talk to the FAs on my next flight later this month to see where they are based.
#83
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: HKG, SIN, PEK, TPE, SFO
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Hi, sorry I did not see these questions earlier. In fact, I left out some details intentionally because I think they actually distract from the key point - more on that later...
I boarded very early and actually waited for about 20 minutes before the flight attendant came around with drinks (another dissapointment in my mind, but Iess of an issue). Previously I had tried to get the attention of various crew members but they seemed busy and often rushed by. Thinking they must be really busy, I thought I would just wait until they came by - after all, they are supposed to greet customers, serve drinks, distribute menus, etc. right? As others have noted, of course I did not expect her to drop everything. Nor do I think my wording or tone implied anything like that. At worst, my tone may have been neutral but I tend to smile when I talk to strangers - something UA personnel could learn. As for the rest of the flight the service was neither exceptional nor poor. I would describe it as indifferent. Definitely not "spunky" like others have suggested. More like, when does my shift end!
As for the curtains, there were none between F and C on both flights. Pretty sure this was the case as when the lights were turned on in C it became pretty bright in F even though the lights were off! I will note that there was a transparent looking curtain between Y and C.
Back to the point earlier on whether the context matters. Yes, context is helpful at times. However, I view this particular instance as cut and dry: I asked in a reasonable tone for something. The response was with an attitude. Unless I am being outright rude, should I expect anything less than a polite response?
I boarded very early and actually waited for about 20 minutes before the flight attendant came around with drinks (another dissapointment in my mind, but Iess of an issue). Previously I had tried to get the attention of various crew members but they seemed busy and often rushed by. Thinking they must be really busy, I thought I would just wait until they came by - after all, they are supposed to greet customers, serve drinks, distribute menus, etc. right? As others have noted, of course I did not expect her to drop everything. Nor do I think my wording or tone implied anything like that. At worst, my tone may have been neutral but I tend to smile when I talk to strangers - something UA personnel could learn. As for the rest of the flight the service was neither exceptional nor poor. I would describe it as indifferent. Definitely not "spunky" like others have suggested. More like, when does my shift end!
As for the curtains, there were none between F and C on both flights. Pretty sure this was the case as when the lights were turned on in C it became pretty bright in F even though the lights were off! I will note that there was a transparent looking curtain between Y and C.
Back to the point earlier on whether the context matters. Yes, context is helpful at times. However, I view this particular instance as cut and dry: I asked in a reasonable tone for something. The response was with an attitude. Unless I am being outright rude, should I expect anything less than a polite response?
#84
Join Date: Jun 2004
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Thnx Ech for the added details....it clears up some possible "outs" that I might have given the FA.
#85
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I've had some longhaul HKG flights with obvious mostly Chinese cabin crews, but also some that appeared to be US based.
What about the LCC B738 flights? Are they also HKG based cabin crews?
#86
Join Date: Feb 2009
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Hi, sorry I did not see these questions earlier. In fact, I left out some details intentionally because I think they actually distract from the key point - more on that later...
I boarded very early and actually waited for about 20 minutes before the flight attendant came around with drinks (another dissapointment in my mind, but Iess of an issue). Previously I had tried to get the attention of various crew members but they seemed busy and often rushed by. Thinking they must be really busy, I thought I would just wait until they came by - after all, they are supposed to greet customers, serve drinks, distribute menus, etc. right? As others have noted, of course I did not expect her to drop everything. Nor do I think my wording or tone implied anything like that. At worst, my tone may have been neutral but I tend to smile when I talk to strangers - something UA personnel could learn. As for the rest of the flight the service was neither exceptional nor poor. I would describe it as indifferent. Definitely not "spunky" like others have suggested. More like, when does my shift end!
As for the curtains, there were none between F and C on both flights. Pretty sure this was the case as when the lights were turned on in C it became pretty bright in F even though the lights were off! I will note that there was a transparent looking curtain between Y and C.
Back to the point earlier on whether the context matters. Yes, context is helpful at times. However, I view this particular instance as cut and dry: I asked in a reasonable tone for something. The response was with an attitude. Unless I am being outright rude, should I expect anything less than a polite response?
I boarded very early and actually waited for about 20 minutes before the flight attendant came around with drinks (another dissapointment in my mind, but Iess of an issue). Previously I had tried to get the attention of various crew members but they seemed busy and often rushed by. Thinking they must be really busy, I thought I would just wait until they came by - after all, they are supposed to greet customers, serve drinks, distribute menus, etc. right? As others have noted, of course I did not expect her to drop everything. Nor do I think my wording or tone implied anything like that. At worst, my tone may have been neutral but I tend to smile when I talk to strangers - something UA personnel could learn. As for the rest of the flight the service was neither exceptional nor poor. I would describe it as indifferent. Definitely not "spunky" like others have suggested. More like, when does my shift end!
As for the curtains, there were none between F and C on both flights. Pretty sure this was the case as when the lights were turned on in C it became pretty bright in F even though the lights were off! I will note that there was a transparent looking curtain between Y and C.
Back to the point earlier on whether the context matters. Yes, context is helpful at times. However, I view this particular instance as cut and dry: I asked in a reasonable tone for something. The response was with an attitude. Unless I am being outright rude, should I expect anything less than a polite response?
Personally, I've had better experiences with FAs on UA during long haul flights when I sit in Y. CO was the same way, so this merger will blend airline cultures perfectly.
#87
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Fair, enough!
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UA F - predeparture drinks are in a plastic cup - enough said
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#90
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Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: HKG, SIN, PEK, TPE, SFO
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Guess it is hard for senior citizens to remember people's names all the time