UA (and CO) Shut Out of HND Award
May 7, 2010, 10:02 pm
#31
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Tokyo
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Disappointing that SFO got shut out. Even Gavin Newsom had supported it. DTW is a bit of a shock. I don't know how viable that one will be in the long run. That said, I'm hearing JAL wants to do SFO-HND as well.
I'm pretty sure UA will get it at some point. The Japanese Ministry of Transport announced their intention to increase the number of slots available awhile back.
I'm pretty sure UA will get it at some point. The Japanese Ministry of Transport announced their intention to increase the number of slots available awhile back.
May 8, 2010, 6:10 am
#33
Join Date: Jul 2008
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In regards to ATI, the bummer with these things is you don't get BIS miles...so if you get stuck on NH into Haneda instead of UA/CO, no lifetime BIS.
However, I will say that Haneda is an excellent spot for business travelers contrary to the griping about the departure/arrival times. While it's a very slim shot that UA picks wrestles away one of DL's slots in the protest period, it could happen, or like others day, in 2011. What I can see is that I potentially split between HND on the outbound (via NH) and NRT on the return (via UA) just so I can get a full day of work in here...we'll see!
May 8, 2010, 7:33 am
#34
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It's really a shame UA didn't make the cut but I must say the departure and arrival times are something to be desired unless of course you're not connecting to an onward flight in Japan.
Better luck next time UA
Better luck next time UA
May 8, 2010, 8:05 am
#35
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Amen! The DOT decision is beyond ridiculous. The process for awarding slots is anything but transparent or consistent. Expect some pushback on the Hill with these results. No *A slot is a problem.
May 8, 2010, 9:05 am
#36
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May 8, 2010, 9:25 am
#37
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While it's a very slim shot that UA picks wrestles away one of DL's slots in the protest period, it could happen, or like others day, in 2011. What I can see is that I potentially split between HND on the outbound (via NH) and NRT on the return (via UA) just so I can get a full day of work in here...we'll see!
May 8, 2010, 9:56 am
#38
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If you go and read the DOT's order, it's spelled out pretty clear why they awarded the slots they way they did. Also, *A does have slots at HND via NH.
May 8, 2010, 10:21 am
#39
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I'm wondering though w/ DL's LAX-HND slot, and the LAX-NRT spot, how does that work... they get 2 flights daily to Tokyo?
May 9, 2010, 12:49 am
#42
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I'm not sure how viable LAX is for UA. I've always found LAX-NRT easier to upgrade or much emptier. In fact I'm flying NRT-LAX tomorrow and then continuing to SFO because even double the SFO makes that route harder to upgrade. 9s across the board for all fares except E and U, while A and F have seven.
May 9, 2010, 8:10 pm
#44
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UGH. I was so looking forward to arrivals at HND...a lot more convenient than the cross-country trek from NRT into Tokyo. Better luck next time.
Jul 6, 2010, 5:37 pm
#45
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DOT issued the final Haneda order today affirming the tentative findings and rejecting United's objection and CO's request for backup authority. Docket DOT-OST-2010-0018.
It almost sounds like an ORD-HND application might have been approved over DTW-HND...
It almost sounds like an ORD-HND application might have been approved over DTW-HND...
We have carefully considered the arguments of United and SFO and are not persuaded to reach a different approach or outcome. We appreciate, as we said in the show-cause Order, that United’s service would generate benefits. However, given the limited number of slot opportunities available and the public benefits to be realized from geographically diverse Haneda access, we believe that the diverse combination of benefits achieved by finalizing our tentative selections, as outlined above, outweighs the benefits associated with a second west coast service at San Francisco.