Chapter 11
Mar 18, 2003 | 12:36 am
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Chapter 11
Just received an unsolicited proof of claim form from the US Bankruptcy Court. I assume this relates to my unused MP miles. Anyone else had this document?
Mar 18, 2003 | 1:56 am
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Hi,
what kind of a first post is that. No proof ? Please elaborate on that issue!
what kind of a first post is that. No proof ? Please elaborate on that issue!
Mar 18, 2003 | 1:58 am
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by VC10:
Just received an unsolicited proof of claim form from the US Bankruptcy Court. I assume this relates to my unused MP miles. Anyone else had this document?</font>
Just received an unsolicited proof of claim form from the US Bankruptcy Court. I assume this relates to my unused MP miles. Anyone else had this document?</font>
Mar 18, 2003 | 9:30 am
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I think it might be more if you have something like a flight credit or a customer service credit with a dollar amount then just unused miles or a booked award ticket.
Mileage Plus members would be at the bottom of the "unsecured creditors" list, I imagine.
Mileage Plus members would be at the bottom of the "unsecured creditors" list, I imagine.
Mar 18, 2003 | 2:45 pm
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I have also received a claims form. AFAIK I could only have received the form for 2 reasons:
1. I complained to UAL that they sent me a USD 50 domestic US check, impossible to cash outside the US, to my address in Sweden as compensation in a lost luggage matter (After sending I was able to cash it in before the bankruptcy filing).
2. The balance on my Mileage Plus account.
Looking at the claim form I can see no reason why I can't send it in to protect the value of my Mileage Plus balance, valuing my mileage balance at the "standard" (and slightly inflated) value of USD 0.02 per mile.
Without being an expert on US banruptcy law, I guess that I can even claim that my miles deposited with Mileage Plus is an unsecured priority claim of "up to USD 2,100 of deposits toward purchase, lease or rental of property or services for personal, family, or household use - 11 U.S.C. 507(a)(6)" as stated on the claims form.
The questions are only is it worth the trouble and do I have anything to lose?
1. I complained to UAL that they sent me a USD 50 domestic US check, impossible to cash outside the US, to my address in Sweden as compensation in a lost luggage matter (After sending I was able to cash it in before the bankruptcy filing).
2. The balance on my Mileage Plus account.
Looking at the claim form I can see no reason why I can't send it in to protect the value of my Mileage Plus balance, valuing my mileage balance at the "standard" (and slightly inflated) value of USD 0.02 per mile.
Without being an expert on US banruptcy law, I guess that I can even claim that my miles deposited with Mileage Plus is an unsecured priority claim of "up to USD 2,100 of deposits toward purchase, lease or rental of property or services for personal, family, or household use - 11 U.S.C. 507(a)(6)" as stated on the claims form.
The questions are only is it worth the trouble and do I have anything to lose?
Mar 18, 2003 | 4:37 pm
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<font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="2">Originally posted by flamboyant 1:
Hi,
what kind of a first post is that. No proof ? Please elaborate on that issue!</font>
Hi,
what kind of a first post is that. No proof ? Please elaborate on that issue!</font>
Addressed to me at my business address.
Debtor name UAL Corporation Case number 02-48191, The Honorable Eugene R.Wedoff presiding.
What kind of proof would you like to see?
Based on our experience here in Australia with Ansett, holders of points have little or no protection.
Mar 18, 2003 | 5:54 pm
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please see the earlier thread...and play nice!
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum50/HTML/018380.html
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http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/Forum50/HTML/018380.html
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