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violist Dec 8, 2009 6:27 am

Major wows.

roadkit Dec 8, 2009 6:27 am

I guess having aircraft from two different companies makes sense from a training, parts, maintenance perspective. :rolleyes:

rch4u Dec 8, 2009 6:28 am

Event Details
Title United Airlines Aircraft Order Conference Call
Date and Time Tuesday, December 8, 2009 10:00 a.m. ET
Duration 1 Hour

http://ir.united.com/phoenix.zhtml?c...&p=irol-IRHome

UNITED959 Dec 8, 2009 6:35 am


Originally Posted by UA_Flyer (Post 12946803)
As much as I like this potential order, I am kind of sad that 777s (especially the 777-300ER) will not be figured in UA's future plan.

Hear hear!

While it's not a contributing factor to an aircraft purchase decision, IMHO the 77W is the best looking widebody out there just after the 747 family, and it also performs very well on its missions!.

It's indeed very sad to see the 744s and 777s on their way out...

AFJon Dec 8, 2009 6:35 am


Originally Posted by fastair (Post 12946004)
The 777 is newest in UA's long haul fleet. 747 and 767 (newly refurbished) are newer. 777 gets refurbished next year. WHy would UA target this for replacement so soon with lower hanging fruit to pick 1st?

Talking about the first 777's?? They are almost 15 years old and have a shorter range. But I agree the 767 ought to go first.

UA_Flyer Dec 8, 2009 6:38 am

I also expect UA to install next generation of F and C seats in the 787 and A350.....let's hope UA finish installing the current "new seats" on the 777 by 2016.;)

LessO2 Dec 8, 2009 6:43 am

I'm really excited by this order. ^

SDF_Traveler Dec 8, 2009 6:45 am

The Official Press Release (cut and paste of email)

United Invests in Future, Places Order for Next-Generation Aircraft

Company awards 25 firm orders each to both Airbus and Boeing,
maximizing network flexibility, cost savings, and improvements for customers


*United Airlines will hold a teleconference at 10 a.m. ET, Tuesday Dec. 8, 2009, with remarks regarding matters covered in this press release from Glenn Tilton, UAL’s chairman, president and CEO, and United’s senior team, followed by a question and answer period for analysts and for media. To access the webcast of this teleconference, please visit www.united.com/ir or dial

CHICAGO, Dec. 8, 2009
– United Airlines today announced a significant investment in the company’s future with a widebody aircraft order that will enable the carrier to reduce operating costs and better match aircraft to key markets it serves, while providing its customers with state-of-the-art cabin comfort. The new technology aircraft will reduce fuel burn and environmental impact, while enabling service to a broader array of international destinations. United ordered 25 Airbus A350 XWB aircraft and 25 Boeing 787 Dreamliner aircraft and has future purchase rights for 50 of each aircraft.

The aircraft order follows a rigorous, six-month request for proposal process, which resulted in agreements with both manufacturers, enabling the company to meet its financial and operational objectives and respond to changes in future market conditions. The breadth in size and capabilities of the different aircraft models ensure the company has the right aircraft for the right market throughout the fleet replacement cycle.

Order an investment in the future

“Over the last few years we have made fundamental improvements in United’s performance, delivering excellent cost control while improving the quality and reliability of our product. This aircraft order is another significant step on the path to position United for long-term success in a highly competitive global market,” said Glenn Tilton, UAL Corporation chairman, president and CEO. “I would like to thank our team for making this order a reality in a manner that is consistent with our disciplined financial strategy. We are investing in our future, and we are well positioned to take full advantage as the economy recovers in the shorter term.”

United expects to take delivery of the aircraft between 2016 and 2019; at the same time it will retire its international Boeing 747s and 767s. These 50 new aircraft will reduce the average seat count by about 19 percent compared to the aircraft they will replace, and by about 10 percent when averaged over the entire international fleet. With the Airbus A350 powered by the Rolls Royce Trent XWB engine, and the Boeing 787 powered by either the Rolls Royce Trent 1000 or the GE GEnx, United estimates it will reduce its fuel costs and carbon emissions from the 50 aircraft by about 33 percent. Additionally, the company expects average lifetime maintenance costs for the new aircraft to be approximately 40 percent lower per available seat mile than the aircraft that will be retired.

The new aircraft will open up new revenue opportunities for United as the smaller size, longer range, and lower operating costs of these aircraft allow the company to profitably serve a broader range of international destinations. The A350 has a range 11 percent greater than the current B747, and the B787 has a range 32 percent greater than the current B767.

Both new aircraft offer significant improvements to the customer experience, including larger windows, more overhead bin space and improved lighting, among other features.

United leverages current environment, orders from both manufacturers
This order provides United with the most efficient aircraft for its international network, providing the right range, size and operating costs for United’s diverse set of worldwide destinations, said CFO Kathryn Mikells.

“Our decision to move forward aggressively at the bottom of the business cycle clearly benefited us. We secured the right aircraft and the right deal for United,” Mikells said. “The orders require minimal capital over the next few years but ensure we will have the right planes to strengthen our global network over the next decade.”

Ordering in a down cycle expected to reap benefits

“We are pleased to be working with United, our longtime customer, and launch customer of the Boeing 777,” said Jim McNerney, Boeing chairman, president and CEO. “We think United is making a smart decision placing an order at this point in the cycle and taking delivery years into the future. The 787 Dreamliner will provide United with additional range and unmatched fuel efficiency.”

“United Airlines is a global icon, and it's very gratifying that they have chosen the A350 to be a key part of their strategy,” said Airbus President and CEO Tom Enders. “It also is fitting that the selection of the eco-efficient A350-900 comes at a time when the world is focusing on operating as efficiently as possible and minimizing environmental impact. Airbus and United have been partners for two decades, and we look forward to extending that partnership well into the future.”

United last took delivery of aircraft in 2002, and last ordered aircraft in 1998.

About United

United Airlines, a wholly-owned subsidiary of UAL Corporation (Nasdaq: UAUA), operates approximately 3,300* flights a day on United and United Express to more than 200 U.S. domestic and international destinations from its hubs in Los Angeles, San Francisco, Denver, Chicago and Washington, D.C. With key global air rights in the Asia-Pacific region, Europe and Latin America, United is one of the largest international carriers based in the United States. United also is a founding member of Star Alliance, which provides connections for our customers to 1,071 destinations in 171 countries worldwide. United's 47,000 employees reside in every U.S. state and in many countries around the world. News releases and other information about United can be found at the company's Web site at united.com.

*Based on United's forward-looking flight schedule for October 2009 to October 2010.

UA_Flyer Dec 8, 2009 6:49 am

From aviation-design.net

Airbus 350XWB


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gijoe24jp Dec 8, 2009 6:51 am

Let's hope Boeing can roll out the 787 first before we rejoice!

tcook052 Dec 8, 2009 6:52 am


Originally Posted by LessO2 (Post 12946963)
I'm really excited by this order. ^

Me too! Congrats UA. ^

flaii Dec 8, 2009 6:55 am

I thought it was interesting reading this in the Q&A section:

"Furthermore, our international fleet replacement program will reduce our fleet complexity, and associated operating costs, by eliminating one fleet type as we transition from three widebody aircraft types (Boeing 747, 777, and 767) to two (Airbus A350 and Boeing 787)."

It sounds like the 777 is slated to be transitioned out as well?

SDF_Traveler Dec 8, 2009 6:56 am


Originally Posted by gijoe24jp (Post 12946994)
Let's hope Boeing can roll out the 787 first before we rejoice!

I believe BA is still looking at two 787 test flights, with two different ships, by end of year.

I flew the 777 on the first day of service with United (the launch customer).

I look forward to the 787 and the A350.

FiveMileFinal Dec 8, 2009 6:56 am

I would have liked to see the 77W in United colors.

I have a feeling that the narrowbody order is gonna go all Airbus when it is made.

UA_Flyer Dec 8, 2009 7:00 am


Originally Posted by flaii (Post 12947016)

It sounds like the 777 is slated to be transitioned out as well?

Let's hope Boeing will come up with 787 version of 777 replacement.

Although this order is great, it feels Boeing lost the battle in the long run.


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