UA orders 25 B787s and 25 A350s [Merged threads].
Moderator Note: On December 8, 2009, (see p. 9 of the thread), UA announced its decision to purchase 25 B787s and 25 A350s
EDIT: 12/8/09: Thanks to Ocn Vw 1K for graciously adding the above note. As the OP of the thread, I'll go ahead and post the link to United's Press Release below, and will update this post as details become available: http://www.united.com/press/detail/0,7056,61384,00.html |
787 Please!
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This will probably be linked to whatever they choose for that 150 narrow-body order so they can cut training and maintenance costs.
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I think one of the big benefits of the 787 will be higher cabin pressure and humidity. Any thoughts on this?
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Originally Posted by 5khours
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I think one of the big benefits of the 787 will be higher cabin pressure and humidity. Any thoughts on this?
As the article says, Airbus receives subsidy from both France and German governments and Boeing will have a hard time matching Airbus' prices. |
Anyone flown the 380 long haul and have any thoughts on cabin pressure?
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Originally Posted by Paolo01
(Post 12849816)
787 Please!
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Originally Posted by SF1K
(Post 12850079)
+1 - I hope that Boeing can compete on price with Airbus. I really like it when US airlines buy American.
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I agree with SF1K. I will really re-think flying UA if/when they take delivery of more Airbus aircraft. I already hate the current Airbus fleet they have.
It's no coincidence AirTran and Southwest and even Continental are some of the most profitable airlines out there. UA needs to think long-term and not what is going to save them money now. I think the Boeing fleet they have has treated them very well... |
Originally Posted by rbaibich
(Post 12849961)
As the article says, Airbus receives subsidy from both France and German governments and Boeing will have a hard time matching Airbus' prices.
I agree with SF1K. I will really re-think flying UA if/when they take delivery of more Airbus aircraft. I already hate the current Airbus fleet they have. It's no coincidence AirTran and Southwest and even Continental are some of the most profitable airlines out there. UA needs to think long-term and not what is going to save them money now. I think the Boeing fleet they have has treated them very well... |
Originally Posted by andrewwm
(Post 12850203)
I'm for whichever one will be delivered sooner and cheaper.
So, you want it now and you want it cheap. Makes sense, you sound American, so we expect that of you. But you may want to look at the total cost of ownership as well, including the utilization rate, cost of maintenance, depreciation, training, etc., amongst many other factors. The equation is much bigger and much riskier and more complex than "now and cheap." Back to the books for you, you have mid-terms coming up! :p |
With all due respect to my fellow FT'ers, I would really want UA to select whichever aircraft manufacturer that can provide the best cost/performance basis, on the overall scale.
If Airbus makes a better product for a lower cost; the onus would be on Boeing to improve itself and vice versa. |
Originally Posted by TravelinWilly
(Post 12850308)
It's good to try out capital acquisition strategy on public frequent-flyer boards; that way you won't become CEO without the wisdom of the FT masses. :)
So, you want it now and you want it cheap. Makes sense, you sound American, so we expect that of you. But you may want to look at the total cost of ownership as well, including the utilization rate, cost of maintenance, depreciation, training, etc., amongst many other factors. The equation is much bigger and much riskier and more complex than "now and cheap." Back to the books for you, you have mid-terms coming up! :p I want from a new plane acquisition: 1. Cheaper fares 2. A more enjoyable cabin From a bare metal perspective, Airbus and Boeing offerings are basically identical on point 2, with both being significantly better than what United's got now. Point 1 is a factor of both of TCO + discounts being offered. Hence, I (as a frequent flyer) am in favor of whichever one maximizes my single-peaked utility over the {sooner, cheaper} variables. |
Originally Posted by rbaibich
(Post 12849961)
As the article says, Airbus receives subsidy from both France and German governments and Boeing will have a hard time matching Airbus' prices.
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Originally Posted by rbaibich
(Post 12849961)
The 787 has the cabin pressure set to 6,000ft. We don't know what the A350 will be set at, but the A380 is running at 5,000ft already. I would assume the A350 will have the same or lower in-cabin altitude than the 787.
As the article says, Airbus receives subsidy from both France and German governments and Boeing will have a hard time matching Airbus' prices. some believe that boeing's endless stream of US government contracts amounts to a form of subsidy, but that's another debate for another time. |
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