SFO runway (28L) closure could cause UA delays for months, 2024H1
Jan 18, 2024, 3:04 am
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SFO runway (28L) closure could cause UA delays for months, 2024H1
https://www.ktvu.com/news/sfo-runway...ays-for-months
I'm assuming UA will be massively affected since SFO is one of UA's hubs? I wonder how all of this will play out.
Starting Jan. 16, Runway 28 Left at SFO will be closed for five months in order to reconstruct taxiways used by planes. SFO says the project will improve safety, by creating "separate, non-intersecting taxiways."
From January to April, 33% of flights could be delayed by 30 to 60 minutes, SFO said. The airport did not provide an estimate on the potential delays as summer travel picks up in May and June, but said it is working with the FAA to revise schedules.
From January to April, 33% of flights could be delayed by 30 to 60 minutes, SFO said. The airport did not provide an estimate on the potential delays as summer travel picks up in May and June, but said it is working with the FAA to revise schedules.
Jan 18, 2024, 5:27 am
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There already has been re-arrangement of flights, cancelations, and other adjustments to ease the problem. They have practice with this...they have had major runway construction projects 3 or 4 times in the last decade. They have tended to finish early...but it all depends on the weather.
Jan 18, 2024, 5:33 am
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There already has been re-arrangement of flights, cancelations, and other adjustments to ease the problem. They have practice with this...they have had major runway construction projects 3 or 4 times in the last decade. They have tended to finish early...but it all depends on the weather.
Jan 18, 2024, 5:43 am
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"Relatively accurate" is always a loosely defined situation. But this construction plan is not a surprise to the airlines.
Jan 18, 2024, 9:36 am
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These SFO runway closures for maintenance are a regular event. This one was announced a few months ago and the airlines have had plenty of time and past experience to adjust schedules in preparation. This becomes a bigger problems in case of WX issues as it further limits the options, but is not as big of issue in normal ops.
SFO Announces Five-Month Closure of Runway 28L in Early 2024 - FlyerTalk Forums
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SFO Announces Five-Month Closure of Runway 28L in Early 2024 - FlyerTalk Forums
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Jan 18, 2024, 11:17 am
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I think they may use the poor weather system to manage this situation, that is, dropping some of the regional service, rather than the international service, which is usually seasonally low anyway.
Jan 18, 2024, 11:19 am
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Agree this is old news.
Jan 18, 2024, 8:50 pm
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These SFO runway closures for maintenance are a regular event. This one was announced a few months ago and the airlines have had plenty of time and past experience to adjust schedules in preparation. This becomes a bigger problems in case of WX issues as it further limits the options, but is not as big of issue in normal ops.
SFO Announces Five-Month Closure of Runway 28L in Early 2024 - FlyerTalk Forums
Consolidated SFO connection time/logistics-Domestic & International FlyerTalk Forums
SFO Announces Five-Month Closure of Runway 28L in Early 2024 - FlyerTalk Forums
Consolidated SFO connection time/logistics-Domestic & International FlyerTalk Forums
Jan 18, 2024, 10:48 pm
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The parallel runways too close together issue has plagued SFO for decades.
Back in 2000 when I lived in the eastern part of the Bay Area, I had a project in downtown Los Angeles. My choices were to fly SFO - BUR (far more convenient drive to the client location) or OAK - LAX. Getting to SFO took marginally longer than getting to OAK, but I would have preferred it due to the convenience of arriving at BUR. However, the SFO - BUR - SFO flights often experienced fog delays that eventually negated any convenience gained by flying to BUR. Hence, I eventually standardized on just taking the OAK - LAX flights. OAK - BUR would have been the best possible option, but no carrier scheduled that route at the time.
Back in 2000 when I lived in the eastern part of the Bay Area, I had a project in downtown Los Angeles. My choices were to fly SFO - BUR (far more convenient drive to the client location) or OAK - LAX. Getting to SFO took marginally longer than getting to OAK, but I would have preferred it due to the convenience of arriving at BUR. However, the SFO - BUR - SFO flights often experienced fog delays that eventually negated any convenience gained by flying to BUR. Hence, I eventually standardized on just taking the OAK - LAX flights. OAK - BUR would have been the best possible option, but no carrier scheduled that route at the time.
Jan 19, 2024, 12:32 am
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The parallel runways too close together issue has plagued SFO for decades.
Back in 2000 when I lived in the eastern part of the Bay Area, I had a project in downtown Los Angeles. My choices were to fly SFO - BUR (far more convenient drive to the client location) or OAK - LAX. Getting to SFO took marginally longer than getting to OAK, but I would have preferred it due to the convenience of arriving at BUR. However, the SFO - BUR - SFO flights often experienced fog delays that eventually negated any convenience gained by flying to BUR. Hence, I eventually standardized on just taking the OAK - LAX flights. OAK - BUR would have been the best possible option, but no carrier scheduled that route at the time.
Back in 2000 when I lived in the eastern part of the Bay Area, I had a project in downtown Los Angeles. My choices were to fly SFO - BUR (far more convenient drive to the client location) or OAK - LAX. Getting to SFO took marginally longer than getting to OAK, but I would have preferred it due to the convenience of arriving at BUR. However, the SFO - BUR - SFO flights often experienced fog delays that eventually negated any convenience gained by flying to BUR. Hence, I eventually standardized on just taking the OAK - LAX flights. OAK - BUR would have been the best possible option, but no carrier scheduled that route at the time.
Jan 19, 2024, 1:31 am
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Well, SFO has been in operation in one form or another since 1927, so it long predates wide-body jets - or even jets, for that matter! It has operated parallel runways since at least Word War II, so the "designers" just could not have known that the runways would be too close together. Other strategic international hub cities have built new airports that are better equipped to handle intercontinental aviation, but that has never happened for San Francisco. OAK and SJC have never been elevated to international hub status, and the environmental impact of expanding SFO via reclamation of land in the bay would make it politically impossible.
Jan 19, 2024, 2:32 am
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Jan 19, 2024, 5:27 am
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The OZ crash had zero to do with the closeness of the runways.
Related, we flew SFO-FRA-CPH the day after the OZ crash. As 28L was closed, we had to taxi a long way around to get to 28R to take off. It was about a 30 minute taxi. We were an hour late into FRA, and had under 40 minutes to clear Passport check and make our flight to CPH. They held our plane, and our bags made it.