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Originally Posted by scubadu
(Post 35917634)
And do you really, genuinely believe that the competitor you've moved to (obviously, it's likely AA, doubt DL 360 is very competitive program for most GS folks) will not do something similar to you in the next year or two? Seriously?
I mean did you spend anytime reviewing the CK threads in the AA forum and all the similarly angry folks who feel the CK program lacks "transparency" around requirements, just as UA GS folks feel? Some of those AA folks were trying to figure how to get GS via Pass Plus! Do you genuinely believe that any of the "big 3" are really any different at the end of the day? Trust me, there will likely come a day when you'll feel foolish for spending $130K on AA in the future as well! :idea: Regards So like I said, shame on me. But I am trainable. And I do learn from my mistakes. I’ll let others manage their own lives. But based on my experience, I’d suggest they not do what I did over the last few years sticking to a single airline. Flexibility is a wonderful thing. My only regret is that I didn’t remember that sooner. |
Originally Posted by EWRFlyerNJ
(Post 35911507)
Just to add some data points because I'm not hearing or seeing anything at all like the carnage y'all are reporting:
Myself - 69k spend, renewed for 8th year (virtually all transcon polaris + europe polaris out of EWR) Colleague - 68k spend, renewed for 8th year (virtually all transcon polaris + europe polaris out of EWR) Colleague - 54k spend, first ever invite (virtually all transcon polaris out of EWR) Colleage's Friend - 39k spend, first ever invite (virtually all europe polaris out of EWR) Friend - 55k spend, first ever invite (mix of travel, mostly business/polaris out of EWR) Friend - 47k spend, renewed for 3rd year (almost entirely EWR - SFO transcon polaris out of EWR) |
Originally Posted by physioprof
(Post 35917706)
This is the pattern for the GS in my household: first earned it in (I think) 2016 on $40K spend, and has had it since, with spend fluctuating between just under 50K & just under 60K (except for pandemic years). All trips are out of EWR, fully-refundable business/first, 90% transcon or TATL.
Are there any others affected by the Corporate program culling that happened this year that received a Challenge? Per above, my friend at a big consulting firm was told he was not eligible. Interested in other reports. |
Originally Posted by scubadu
(Post 35917634)
And do you really, genuinely believe that the competitor you've moved to (obviously, it's likely AA, doubt DL 360 is very competitive program for most GS folks) will not do something similar to you in the next year or two? …
I think that’s part of the airlines calculation - UA will lose some, gain some.. Net effect is to get some of the OPMers to put more personal skin in the game. No more easy upgrades from economy into TATL Polaris or PremTranscon Business for pals or kin. Get ‘em to buy OAR for a chance. |
Probably better to have top published tier benefits on multiple airlines than just 1K on United with $50-100k spend is how I would look at it
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Originally Posted by jonisflying
(Post 35915716)
Just to add a data point here.
I was dropped to 1K for 2024. I ended 2023 with ~38,000 PQP (after taking off starter bonus, etc.). More than half of my PQP was self-funded. About 12,000 was work funded travel. I'm sure we have a large corporate contract, but we have deals with lots of airlines (I work for large, multi-national company). I wrote in asking if I could get a challenge for 2024, not expecting it, but figured I'd ask - since I already have more than 8,000 PQP booked in the first 2 months of the year - and I just heard back: I was offered the challenge: $18,000 between 01-Jan and 30-Jun. It isn't on the Premier Status tracker yet, that still shows the "pleased to welcome you to 1K" (which I hate! I earned that LOL!). Anyway, I'm guessing that since I'm at a competitive airport (TPA) and spent a lot of my own money. and I have been 1K or GS for the last 7 years... with several years in the high 30's, peak year was 2019 (nearly $70K) that I'm a good candidate for a challenge. I'll easily make the 18K. |
Originally Posted by ironmanjt
(Post 35917504)
Because not "everyone" (esp. 1Ks) has a history of spending with UA that at least at one time justified GS?
You're entitled to your opinion, but, to re-earn GS for less than 1K would cost, knowing I'd fly that much this year regardless is a no-brainer. The poster just above who mentioned their Japan trips exactly matches my logic. Buy my next couple trips, requalify, then enjoy XY+PN upgrades for a year. Nets out to saving a ton. But my semi-rhetorical question remains...why isn't the $18K challenge open to anyone at this point? If UA is willing to accept $18K in spend as a qualifier to renew your GS then it should be open to everyone. Because at the end of the day United has not said anything other than that gets you GS *for this year only*. Absolutely nothing is said about 2025. So they are saying "Pay us $18K "now"" and you can have your coveted GS back. If a 1K wants to spend $18K now why can't they have GS for 2024 as well? Again, last year's spend is irrelevant as United has already proven that. Back to my last opinion...I think this $18K challenge is an absurdly bad business proposition for most people. Maybe mostly out of principle. It's like the upgrade lotto game a lot of people play on United. Why chase bad money with even more bad money? I do not deny that some of the GS perks (e.g. upgrading award tickets, having inventory opened in certain situations) can be hugely valuable. But is it valuable when the airline no longer values your huge spend and would rather grab another $18K in short term revenue out of you? -RM |
Originally Posted by jonisflying
(Post 35918119)
The challenge is live on my status page, and it does say within 120 day period. So the email was incorrect.
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Originally Posted by RobOnLI
(Post 35918268)
Sorry, but United just proved that last year means absolutely nothing to them as they culled a huge pool of GS fliers. All of them are literally the same equivalent of 1K that I am (earned by spending the $18K+ segments or $24K/year). Albeit those who were GS last year and spent the $50-150K have a boat ton more (useless) PlusPoints than I do.
But my semi-rhetorical question remains...why isn't the $18K challenge open to anyone at this point? If UA is willing to accept $18K in spend as a qualifier to renew your GS then it should be open to everyone. Because at the end of the day United has not said anything other than that gets you GS *for this year only*. Absolutely nothing is said about 2025. So they are saying "Pay us $18K "now"" and you can have your coveted GS back. If a 1K wants to spend $18K now why can't they have GS for 2024 as well? Again, last year's spend is irrelevant as United has already proven that. Back to my last opinion...I think this $18K challenge is an absurdly bad business proposition for most people. Maybe mostly out of principle. It's like the upgrade lotto game a lot of people play on United. Why chase bad money with even more bad money? I do not deny that some of the GS perks (e.g. upgrading award tickets, having inventory opened in certain situations) can be hugely valuable. But is it valuable when the airline no longer values your huge spend and would rather grab another $18K in short term revenue out of you? -RM If they want to give former GS members a challenge, they can. Their game, their rules. We don't even know if they are offering it to all. Certainly, many in this thread are getting it, but on the same token, contrary to what people on FT think, its a much smaller sample size than we think (but certainly a loud one). Many of the posts in this thread are multiples of the same posters. Its really a pretty small dataset. Finally, this situation isn't really any different than how UA handles the status match program at the top(ish) tier. Officially, in the published criteria for the UA status match, they do not offer 1K to top tier members of competing programs. For example, an AA EXP (1K equivalent) is only supposed to be matched to Platinum. Yet we see reports of some (but not all) AA EXPs indeed getting matched to 1K. Why does UA do that? Why don't all AA EXPs get matched to 1K? Why some, but not others? Because they can, that is all... Regards P.S. We are in complete agreement on the value of the program, relative to $ spent. It's refreshing to see that the fog is lifting for some, like, Rock214 |
Originally Posted by Jerseymn
(Post 35917560)
Long term 1K, got GS this year with 89K PQP 2023, have a question on upgrading award tickets with pluspoint, does it also follow PN, PZ rules to get instant upgrade? I mean if there are PN, PZ tickets available for money buying and I buy it with miles, can I use pluspoints to guarantee the upgrade? Thanks!
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GS 2024 challenge
Invited to meet the GS 2024 challenge today. Here's the terms and conditions: $18000 spend on UA or UA express and completed travel in 120 day window between January 1, 2024 and June 30, 2024. The counter did already count the flights that I already have flown this year. I had flown in 2023 56k PQP, 85 segments, no corporate travel, 85% domestic travel, 15% international. Used all my Plus Points upgrading mostly international flights for myself and family members.
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I got the challenge in mystatus and called in to GS/MS with two questions - sharing in case anyone else had the same. These may seem obvious but I am not feeling very trusting at the moment that the fact that something makes no sense means they wouldn’t do it.
First, while elsewhere it talks about travel dates, the first bullet in the challenge says you have to *spend* $18k in the 120 days, suggesting it might matter when you buy the ticket (as possibly noticed by some agents up-thread). The MP agent seemed to tell me after checking with a supervisor that it did not matter when you buy the ticket, just when you travel. Although she used the word “should” a bunch so it didn’t instill 100% confidence. Second, #9 of the T’s & C’s suggests that on 1/31/25 you *will* be placed in the highest published level you qualified for. I asked whether this meant (as it might sound) that one would not even have the opportunity to earn GS for 2025. The MP agent said - again after checking with a supervisor - that it was not guaranteed (of course) but no, completing the challenge would not make one ineligible for GS in 2025. Would be interested in whether anyone else has confirmed (esp on #1). |
A ticket I bought months ago but travelled on post Jan/1 is counted in the tracker FYI.
Also important to note: in previous years, buy-ups don't count towards the total spend on the tracker. |
Originally Posted by MobileLounger
(Post 35918614)
Second, #9 of the T’s & C’s suggests that on 1/31/25 you *will* be placed in the highest published level you qualified for. I asked whether this meant (as it might sound) that one would not even have the opportunity to earn GS for 2025. The MP agent said - again after checking with a supervisor - that it was not guaranteed (of course) but no, completing the challenge would not make one ineligible for GS in 2025. |
Originally Posted by sfonorth
(Post 35918473)
Invited to meet the GS 2024 challenge today. Here's the terms and conditions: $18000 spend on UA or UA express and completed travel in 120 day window between January 1, 2024 and June 30, 2024. The counter did already count the flights that I already have flown this year. I had flown in 2023 56k PQP, 85 segments, no corporate travel, 85% domestic travel, 15% international. Used all my Plus Points upgrading mostly international flights for myself and family members.
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