UA Flight from NY/EWR - Tel Aviv turns back after unruly Israelis grab business seats
Jan 21, 2022, 6:23 am
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UA Flight from NY/EWR - Tel Aviv turns back after unruly Israelis grab business seats
Never understand what people are thinking. They obviously are not...
https://www.timesofisrael.com/flight...usiness-seats/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/flight...usiness-seats/
Jan 21, 2022, 9:26 am
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Though seats were empty so I guess it would be poaching from the airline. Tons of comments here: https://onemileatatime.com/news/unit...Self-Upgraders
Jan 21, 2022, 9:37 am
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Well - it is truly bad behavior to deliberately take a seat that is not yours without permission - whether that be another passengers or a self upgrader.
A new low is then refusing to go back to your assigned seat after you are caught causing an airplane to turn around.
A new low is then refusing to go back to your assigned seat after you are caught causing an airplane to turn around.
Jan 21, 2022, 10:16 am
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Way over the top on UA's part, IMHO. Just tell the pax that authorities will be waiting upon landing to ensure $X,000 is collected for the stolen product. That would likely have resolved the situation without inconveniencing countless people and costing countless tens of thousands of dollars and wasting countless gallons of fuel.
Flight crews are really feeling their authority these days, to the detriment of many.
Of course it goes without saying, the poachers are most at fault, but this, like the AA example earlier in the week, could have been handled much better by the airlines. We don't need power-hungry crews flexing their muscle anymore.
Flight crews are really feeling their authority these days, to the detriment of many.
Of course it goes without saying, the poachers are most at fault, but this, like the AA example earlier in the week, could have been handled much better by the airlines. We don't need power-hungry crews flexing their muscle anymore.
Jan 21, 2022, 10:25 am
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Just like with the AA incident, I'm guessing there's more to the story than being reported by the media -- perhaps violence? If not violent, it would make more sense to deal with it when they land rather than incur the costs for the diversion (crew, fuel, compensation for pax)
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Jan 21, 2022, 10:30 am
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Way over the top on UA's part, IMHO. Just tell the pax that authorities will be waiting upon landing to ensure $X,000 is collected for the stolen product. That would likely have resolved the situation without inconveniencing countless people and costing countless tens of thousands of dollars and wasting countless gallons of fuel.
Yes - huge inconvenience - but if self upgraders do this behavior without repercussions then it will continue to occur.
Jan 21, 2022, 10:36 am
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I'm not sure if you let the self upgrader - upgrade - and continue on - authorities would actually do anything upon landing. UA can certainly ban them at that point.
Yes - huge inconvenience - but if self upgraders do this behavior without repercussions then it will continue to occur.
Yes - huge inconvenience - but if self upgraders do this behavior without repercussions then it will continue to occur.
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Jan 21, 2022, 10:36 am
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Just like with the AA mask incident yesterday, I'm guessing there's more to the story than being reported-- perhaps violence? If not violent, it would make more sense to deal with it when they land rather than incur the costs for the diversion (crew, fuel, compensation for pax)
This is, undoubtedly, 100% crews over-flexing their "muscle" that has been served to them during COVID.
Last edited by WineCountryUA; Jan 21, 2022 at 10:39 am Reason: unneed comment removed, let's maintain civil discourse
Jan 21, 2022, 10:44 am
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There was no violence on the AA flight. While there were reports of it, if there truly had been, she would have been arrested on the spot upon landing. She was simply let go. There is precisely zero chance she would have been just permitted to walk away if she truly had become violent.
This is, undoubtedly, 100% crews over-flexing their "muscle" that has been served to them during COVID.
This is, undoubtedly, 100% crews over-flexing their "muscle" that has been served to them during COVID.
Pilots don’t turn planes around without providing operations with rationale for diversion. Operations don’t turn plane around for two self-upgraders as diversion would cost the airline a lot more than the stolen revenue and the cost of the downstream flight being interrupted/cancelled.
Jan 21, 2022, 10:46 am
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There was no violence on the AA flight. While there were reports of it, if there truly had been, she would have been arrested on the spot upon landing. She was simply let go. There is precisely zero chance she would have been just permitted to walk away if she truly had become violent.
This is, undoubtedly, 100% crews over-flexing their "muscle" that has been served to them during COVID.
This is, undoubtedly, 100% crews over-flexing their "muscle" that has been served to them during COVID.
Jan 21, 2022, 10:46 am
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Pilots don’t turn planes around without providing operations with rationale for diversion. Operations don’t turn plane around for two self-upgraders as diversion would cost the airline a lot more than the stolen revenue and the cost of the downstream flight being interrupted/cancelled.
Jan 21, 2022, 10:47 am
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Highly doubt this unless you are accusing flight crew of falsifying internal paperwork to the airline.
Pilots don’t turn planes around without providing operations with rationale for diversion. Operations don’t turn plane around for two self-upgraders as diversion would cost the airline a lot more than the stolen revenue and the cost of the downstream flight being interrupted/cancelled.
Pilots don’t turn planes around without providing operations with rationale for diversion. Operations don’t turn plane around for two self-upgraders as diversion would cost the airline a lot more than the stolen revenue and the cost of the downstream flight being interrupted/cancelled.
There’s much more to this situation than is what is being reported.
Jan 21, 2022, 10:49 am
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It's quite obvious I was replying to Ryu2's comment about the AA flight.
Source?
Source?
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Jan 21, 2022, 10:49 am
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the cost of diversion was surely an order of magnitude more than the "cost" of the seats... maybe it was an ongoing problem and they decided to make an example...
Either way, I think the solution would have been to zip-tie them up next to the lav rather than diverting.
Either way, I think the solution would have been to zip-tie them up next to the lav rather than diverting.