US government to award Newark slots to low cost competitor of UA
Sep 17, 2021, 2:26 am
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US government to award Newark slots to low cost competitor of UA
Seems like this could help UA flyers by keeping fares down.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/exclusive-u-award-newark-flights-152553828.html
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/exclusive-u-award-newark-flights-152553828.html
Sep 17, 2021, 6:24 am
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Seems like this could help UA flyers by keeping fares down.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/e...152553828.html
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/e...152553828.html
Sep 17, 2021, 8:37 am
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Seems like this could help UA flyers by keeping fares down.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/e...152553828.html
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/e...152553828.html
Gary's article has a little more detail: https://viewfromthewing.com/the-u-s-...ot-controlled/
Apparently, the slots are desirable because, even though the airport isn't slot-controlled, it might be in the future, and airlines who held those rights in the past would get first priority at retaining them.
So, don't expect this to have much of an effect on Newark airfare, because any carrier that wants to fly in/out of Newark already can, at whatever traffic level they can manage with the gates they can lease. However, it might mean that, at some future date, a return to slot-controlled status would be slightly less painful for Newark flyers.
Sep 17, 2021, 9:17 am
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I heard about this, but I was confused. Newark isn't slot-controlled.
Gary's article has a little more detail: https://viewfromthewing.com/the-u-s-...ot-controlled/
Apparently, the slots are desirable because, even though the airport isn't slot-controlled, it might be in the future, and airlines who held those rights in the past would get first priority at retaining them.
So, don't expect this to have much of an effect on Newark airfare, because any carrier that wants to fly in/out of Newark already can, at whatever traffic level they can manage with the gates they can lease. However, it might mean that, at some future date, a return to slot-controlled status would be slightly less painful for Newark flyers.
Gary's article has a little more detail: https://viewfromthewing.com/the-u-s-...ot-controlled/
Apparently, the slots are desirable because, even though the airport isn't slot-controlled, it might be in the future, and airlines who held those rights in the past would get first priority at retaining them.
So, don't expect this to have much of an effect on Newark airfare, because any carrier that wants to fly in/out of Newark already can, at whatever traffic level they can manage with the gates they can lease. However, it might mean that, at some future date, a return to slot-controlled status would be slightly less painful for Newark flyers.
Aren't slots generally transferable/assignable? So conceivably... slots at a non-slot-controlled airport are awarded to a 3rd carrier that may or may not actually have a use for them, and if that carrier is awarded them and if EWR becomes slot controlled in the future and if the rules at the time EWR becomes slot controlled still favor incumbent slot holders...that airline could sell/lease some or all of their slots to UA or a 4th carrier?
Ugh. My head hurts too much for a Friday.
Sep 17, 2021, 10:18 am
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"I will gladly pay you today for slots I might have a use for in the future"?
Aren't slots generally transferable/assignable? So conceivably... slots at a non-slot-controlled airport are awarded to a 3rd carrier that may or may not actually have a use for them, and if that carrier is awarded them and if EWR becomes slot controlled in the future and if the rules at the time EWR becomes slot controlled still favor incumbent slot holders...that airline could sell/lease some or all of their slots to UA or a 4th carrier?
Ugh. My head hurts too much for a Friday.
Aren't slots generally transferable/assignable? So conceivably... slots at a non-slot-controlled airport are awarded to a 3rd carrier that may or may not actually have a use for them, and if that carrier is awarded them and if EWR becomes slot controlled in the future and if the rules at the time EWR becomes slot controlled still favor incumbent slot holders...that airline could sell/lease some or all of their slots to UA or a 4th carrier?
Ugh. My head hurts too much for a Friday.
Sep 17, 2021, 10:25 am
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Before EWR became unslotted wasn't there an agreement between CO/UA and (IIRC) DL to slot swap between EWR and LGA -- e.g. COUA would take some of DL?s EWR slots in exchange for DL? taking some of COUA's LGA slots?
But that's only one of the reasons I said my head hurt
Sep 17, 2021, 11:24 am
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I just don't see the needle moving on airfare if they get another LCC at EWR.
To move the needle at EWR, they need AA, DL, WN, or B6 to aggressively take more flights - and lower fares.
To move the needle at EWR, they need AA, DL, WN, or B6 to aggressively take more flights - and lower fares.
Sep 17, 2021, 11:30 am
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UA has lost a good chunk of shares to B6, specifically, in recent years. I could see the momentum continuing in the coming years with the completion of the new terminal.
Sep 17, 2021, 11:32 am
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Seems like this could help UA flyers by keeping fares down.
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/e...152553828.html
https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/e...152553828.html
Already, any budget carrier can add as many flights as its chooses under current gate constraints.
Newark is a tricky market. Southwest tried it and pulled out.
Sep 17, 2021, 1:15 pm
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My understanding of the issue isn't that NK/B6 want "slots" that can be sold at some point in the future, it's that they want to operate flights at peak times now and the FAA was refusing to approve the flights they scheduled during what were WN's slots. FAA was refusing to approve the scheduled departures as part of it's "schedule facilitated" program in an attempt to alleviate EWR's standard afternoon delays.
Sep 17, 2021, 1:59 pm
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My understanding of the issue isn't that NK/B6 want "slots" that can be sold at some point in the future, it's that they want to operate flights at peak times now and the FAA was refusing to approve the flights they scheduled during what were WN's slots. FAA was refusing to approve the scheduled departures as part of it's "schedule facilitated" program in an attempt to alleviate EWR's standard afternoon delays.
Sep 17, 2021, 2:44 pm
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B6 would actually need to start expanding their route network, because as of right now its pretty weak.
Sep 17, 2021, 3:29 pm
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