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Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 31725950)
There is no evidence the FAA or Boeing are anywhere near close to a return-to-service date, plus just because the FAA clears the aircraft does not mean other national regulators will, especially given the FAA's far-too-close industry ties. The FAA could say yes, but do they speak for Transport Canada or other national regulators? No they don't.
You are vastly under-estimating the knowledge of the flying public, nor is an airline going to have the capability or the desire to discount MAX flights just because they are MAX flights, and what about aircraft swaps? It's simply not workable, and to suggest "most folks" can't tell the difference between an A380 and CR2 is really just needless posturing and is completely untrue. Regulatory approvals aside, this aircraft will live or die on public opinion and acceptance - just like social media can spread real or mis-information faster than a wildfire, with the MAX in its crosshairs, this will be the ugliest return to service, or attempt thereof, the airline industry has ever experienced. My forecast still stands - mid-late 2020 for any attempted return to service, aside from that attempt being thwarted by the public's refusal to fly this plane. You are correct that the public will have the ultimate say. However, I think it is difficult to hold your view up as representative of the larger public, particularly when so many of your assumptions are off base. |
Originally Posted by cmd320
(Post 31726084)
Bold assumption given the FAA didn't know when that was the first time around...
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Originally Posted by notquiteaff
(Post 31726778)
Wait, isn’t Boeing just going to self-certify that everything is A-OK? Or does the FAA suddenly have the necessary staff? ;)
Which leads to the question - can you ever (re-)design a perfect aircraft especially one as troubled as the MAX? |
I read (a few weeks ago) they tested months ago their software fixes in a simulator and it "crashed." They had to re-do the system..
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Don't believe everything you read.
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Originally Posted by Newman55
(Post 31725900)
If the FAA authorizes the max for flight tomorrow, SW will start using it again as soon as possible no matter what arbitrary schedules say. The software and training manuals will be updated, new instrumentation will be installed and plane will fly for many years. The process will be over when the FAA and the regulatory bodies say it is. Could be a few months or more, but it will happen.
I am doubtful that after a few months of service that any significant amount of people book away from the max. Most folks have no idea the difference between and A380 and CRJ200. Nothing is going to change that. The vast majority of people only care about price. |
Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 31741050)
Not only did United just officially push the MAX off the schedule into at least March, Southwest just publicly stated the MAX is off the schedule at least until March regardless of the aircraft being certified for service by the FAA and Boeing.
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Originally Posted by dilanesp
(Post 31741236)
Good for Southwest. Nobody wants to fly in this thing. I don't want it ever coming back into service.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_video_game_burial New Mexico is big enough, isn't it? |
I plan to never step foot on a MAX. However, I said similar about the 787 early on “I’m not getting on a plastic plane that catches fire” - and now it’s one of my favorite aircraft! 😂
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If you refuse to fly the Max then you should also refuse to fly the non primary US and Anglo airlines. The Max will be safe, however at the margin, it comes down to pilot training and expertise. And you can't get away from the fact that most US and Anglo airlines have former military men who have seen combat/experience over the past 20 years.
As an aside. I travel globally including Asia and GCC, and always take UA/LH getting there. Inside the areas, I try to go the bigger airlines; e.g. Singapore, Emirates, Gulf, who have training programs. However, did fly Malaysia the other day!!!! |
https://www.insider.com/boeing-press...to-fly-2019-11
looks like Boeing is up to its usual tricks. Like an alcoholic who just can’t put down their drink even while insisting they are fine. |
Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 31744016)
https://www.insider.com/boeing-press...to-fly-2019-11
looks like Boeing is up to its usual tricks. Like an alcoholic who just can’t put down their drink even while insisting they are fine. Business Insider is trolling for clicks... |
Originally Posted by fly18725
(Post 31744028)
:roll eyes:
Business Insider is trolling for clicks... so... 1. the FAA Administrator is a liar 2. the flight attendant union are liars 3. Southwest pilots are liars riiiight |
Originally Posted by Dan Weber
(Post 31743943)
If you refuse to fly the Max then you should also refuse to fly the non primary US and Anglo airlines.
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Originally Posted by bocastephen
(Post 31744096)
:rolleyes:
so... 1. the FAA Administrator is a liar 2. the flight attendant union are liars 3. Southwest pilots are liars riiiight Discussion of Southwest’s unions’ motivation is off topic for this forum and probably best suited for Omni. |
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