Nov 10, 2020, 12:21 pm
Last edit by: WineCountryUA
Start of service has been delayed -- now 28 March 2021
In April 2021, single flight M,Th,F,Sa,Su
SFO UA520,UA523
LAX UA514, UA517
UA's 2021 Return to JFK - Inaugural Flights on 28 March thread
AS (and VX) Moved to T7 at JFK; New Alaska Lounge (April, 2018)
Earlier related threads
FlightGlobal: United seeks return to New York JFK
United Airlines President: Leaving New York’s JFK ‘Was the Wrong Decision’ {2017}
p.s. Operations Transitioning to EWR on October 25, 2015
In April 2021, single flight M,Th,F,Sa,Su
SFO UA520,UA523
LAX UA514, UA517
UA's 2021 Return to JFK - Inaugural Flights on 28 March thread
AS (and VX) Moved to T7 at JFK; New Alaska Lounge (April, 2018)
We are Back! United Announces Return to New York's JFK Airport
Airline to offer new transcontinental service from JFK to the west coast starting February 1
November 10, 2020
-- United Airlines announced today that it will be returning service to New York City's John F. Kennedy Airport (JFK) on February 1, 2021 with nonstop service to the west coast. The airline's entry back into JFK after five years reflects not only its strong commitment to the New York City area, but a continuation of aggressively and strategically managing the impact of COVID-19 by increasing service to and from the places where customers want to fly. The new United service will operate out of Terminal 7.
Effective February of next year, United will serve both JFK to Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) and JFK to San Francisco International Airport (SFO) with two round-trips for each west coast city. The flights will utilize the reconfigured Boeing 767-300ER aircraft on the routes offering customers an extended premium cabin featuring 16 additional United Business class seats –providing all-aisle-access seating – bringing the total premium cabin seat count to 46. The aircraft will also feature 22 United Premium Plus® seats, 47 Economy Plus® seats and 52 Economy seats. United offers the most premium seats between the New York City area and Los Angeles and San Francisco markets. Tickets are now available for purchase on United.com.
"I have been waiting a long time to say this - United Airlines is back at JFK," said United's Chief Executive Officer Scott Kirby. "Come early next year, we will be serving all three major New York City area airports with a best-in-class product to provide our customers unmatched transcontinental service from New York City and the west coast."
Airline to offer new transcontinental service from JFK to the west coast starting February 1
November 10, 2020
-- United Airlines announced today that it will be returning service to New York City's John F. Kennedy Airport (JFK) on February 1, 2021 with nonstop service to the west coast. The airline's entry back into JFK after five years reflects not only its strong commitment to the New York City area, but a continuation of aggressively and strategically managing the impact of COVID-19 by increasing service to and from the places where customers want to fly. The new United service will operate out of Terminal 7.
Effective February of next year, United will serve both JFK to Los Angeles International Airport (LAX) and JFK to San Francisco International Airport (SFO) with two round-trips for each west coast city. The flights will utilize the reconfigured Boeing 767-300ER aircraft on the routes offering customers an extended premium cabin featuring 16 additional United Business class seats –providing all-aisle-access seating – bringing the total premium cabin seat count to 46. The aircraft will also feature 22 United Premium Plus® seats, 47 Economy Plus® seats and 52 Economy seats. United offers the most premium seats between the New York City area and Los Angeles and San Francisco markets. Tickets are now available for purchase on United.com.
"I have been waiting a long time to say this - United Airlines is back at JFK," said United's Chief Executive Officer Scott Kirby. "Come early next year, we will be serving all three major New York City area airports with a best-in-class product to provide our customers unmatched transcontinental service from New York City and the west coast."
"The upcoming return of United to JFK while continuing service at Newark Liberty and LaGuardia Airports will offer more choices for transcontinental flights just as travelers return to the skies," said Kevin O'Toole, Chairman of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. "As the recovery begins, we're pleased to see these increased options for those who choose to fly in and out of the Port Authority's airports."
"United Airlines' return to JFK Airport is a clear sign that air travel is returning in New York and across the region," said Rick Cotton, Executive Director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. "As numbers start to rise, the Port Authority is ready to welcome travelers back to JFK, Newark Liberty and LaGuardia Airports with increased cleaning and sanitizing in all terminals and touch-free options from curb to gate to ensure a world-class travel experience even in these unprecedented times."
United's premium cabin will feature flat-bed seats on all flights similar to the current Newark-Los Angeles and Newark-San Francisco offerings, providing a consistent and comprehensive NYC-west coast product. Additionally, United's wide-body service can participate in the robust cargo market between JFK and the west coast.
"United Airlines' return to JFK Airport is a clear sign that air travel is returning in New York and across the region," said Rick Cotton, Executive Director of the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. "As numbers start to rise, the Port Authority is ready to welcome travelers back to JFK, Newark Liberty and LaGuardia Airports with increased cleaning and sanitizing in all terminals and touch-free options from curb to gate to ensure a world-class travel experience even in these unprecedented times."
United's premium cabin will feature flat-bed seats on all flights similar to the current Newark-Los Angeles and Newark-San Francisco offerings, providing a consistent and comprehensive NYC-west coast product. Additionally, United's wide-body service can participate in the robust cargo market between JFK and the west coast.
FlightGlobal: United seeks return to New York JFK
United Airlines President: Leaving New York’s JFK ‘Was the Wrong Decision’ {2017}
p.s. Operations Transitioning to EWR on October 25, 2015
UA service JFK<> SFO/LAX , experiences, lounge, ....
Oct 3, 2020, 2:35 pm
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Yes, that was the Westin Renewal Lounge inside the First Class lounge at the Red Carpet Club at JFK.
It was more like a quiet room with the Westin scent, white tea, for people to relax.
United used to have the Westin Renewal Lounge inside the Red Carpet Club at SFO, LAX and JFK.
It was more like a quiet room with the Westin scent, white tea, for people to relax.
United used to have the Westin Renewal Lounge inside the Red Carpet Club at SFO, LAX and JFK.
As part of United's partnership with Westin, select United Red Carpet Clubs in New York (JFK), Los Angeles and San Francisco will soon debut custom-designed Westin Renewal Lounges designed to bring a new level of comfort to traveling . Private areas outfitted with luxurious touches from Westin will create calming oasis where travelers can relax before or after their flight.
Westin Renewal Lounge.... [Update with Photos]
Westin renewal lounges no more... more or less
Oct 5, 2020, 7:59 am
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Reading on OMAAT that AA is dialing back JFK-LAX to 2x daily and JFK-SFO to 1x daily. Certainly seems like UA has an opportunity to get some share here...
Oct 5, 2020, 9:20 am
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Oct 6, 2020, 11:41 am
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Waiver for slot usage rules at airports including JFK extended until Mar 27, 2021:
https://www.federalregister.gov/publ...john-f-kennedy
ACTION: Extension of limited waiver of the minimum slot usage requirement.
SUMMARY: The FAA has determined to extend through March 27, 2021, the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)-related limited waiver of the minimum slot usage requirement at John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK), New York LaGuardia Airport (LGA), and Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport (DCA) that the FAA already has made available through October 24, 2020, with additional conditions as described herein. In addition, the FAA also has determined to extend, through March 27, 2021, its COVID-19-related policy for prioritizing flights canceled at designated International Air Transport Association (IATA) Level 2 airports in the United States, for purposes of establishing a carrier’s operational baseline in the next corresponding season, also with additional conditions as described in this notice.
SUMMARY: The FAA has determined to extend through March 27, 2021, the coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19)-related limited waiver of the minimum slot usage requirement at John F. Kennedy International Airport (JFK), New York LaGuardia Airport (LGA), and Ronald Reagan Washington National Airport (DCA) that the FAA already has made available through October 24, 2020, with additional conditions as described herein. In addition, the FAA also has determined to extend, through March 27, 2021, its COVID-19-related policy for prioritizing flights canceled at designated International Air Transport Association (IATA) Level 2 airports in the United States, for purposes of establishing a carrier’s operational baseline in the next corresponding season, also with additional conditions as described in this notice.
Oct 6, 2020, 11:45 am
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I guess SFO's Westin Lounge used to be where the former "quiet room" is. The fake candle wall remains.
Oct 6, 2020, 12:20 pm
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Is there an authoritative source to understand available slots at JFK? Extending the slot flexibility means no airline will be forced to make a decision till next year, but what about airlines that are already toast in some form or another? South African, El AL, Air India, Virgin Atlantic, etc... Are there any slots UA can pick up right now?
Oct 7, 2020, 11:05 am
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Oct 7, 2020, 12:49 pm
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Is there an authoritative source to understand available slots at JFK? Extending the slot flexibility means no airline will be forced to make a decision till next year, but what about airlines that are already toast in some form or another? South African, El AL, Air India, Virgin Atlantic, etc... Are there any slots UA can pick up right now?
are you asking about count of existing free slots/wait-list for slots at these airports?
https://www.faa.gov/about/office_org...stration/data/
You can try looking up the DOT case docket or additional federal registrar, see if they discuss those types of scenarios (eg virgin australia no longer has wide-bodies, so cannot hold on to a slot. But they could lease a widebody tomorrow and restart service?
from the original link above:
which was published in the Federal Register on September 15, 2020 (85 FR 57288). In this notice, the FAA invited comment on its specific proposals for continued relief from the minimum slot usage requirements and related policies due to COVID-19
Oct 7, 2020, 1:59 pm
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As long as the FAA isn't enforcing slot minima, those airlines own the slots. They're an extremely valuable asset. UA could attempt to buy them from one of those airlines, or any other, but the FAA is not going to reclaim them simply because the airline seems to be struggling financially.
When the FAA returns to pre-COVID rules, the airlines will need to use those slots or risk having them forfeited and reassigned.
Oct 7, 2020, 4:30 pm
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Consider all the other majors fly out of all three airports referring to DL and AA. JFK had lots of international flights to places UA does not fly I would think they would at least connect to the hubs ORD, DEN, and IAH and a flights to LAX and SFO.
Oct 7, 2020, 7:01 pm
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Slots Held / Slots Operated / Airline
45 / 0 / United
212 / 212 / American
401 / 446 / Delta
334 / 336 / Jet Blue
24 / 24 / Alaska
20 / 18 / BA
9 / 11 / Virgin Atlantic
8 / 9 / Norwegian
6 / 6 / Lufthansa
1 / 1 / El Al
2 / 2 / South African
2 / 2 / Volaris
Etc...
So it looks like UA holds 45 slots but operates zero.
1. Delta operates 45 more than they own, so did Delta buy all UA's slots?
2. Does a slot = 1 takeoff + 1 landing?
3. How would JFK reallocate slots relinquished by say, Virgin or South African? Are those airlines free to sell them, even if bankrupt, or does JFK auction them, etc...?
4. What stops Delta from just buying relinquished slots to keep out competitors?
Oct 7, 2020, 8:00 pm
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Thx. That's an interesting link! JFK data:
Slots Held / Slots Operated / Airline
45 / 0 / United
212 / 212 / American
401 / 446 / Delta
334 / 336 / Jet Blue
24 / 24 / Alaska
20 / 18 / BA
9 / 11 / Virgin Atlantic
8 / 9 / Norwegian
6 / 6 / Lufthansa
1 / 1 / El Al
2 / 2 / South African
2 / 2 / Volaris
Etc...
So it looks like UA holds 45 slots but operates zero.
1. Delta operates 45 more than they own, so did Delta buy all UA's slots?
2. Does a slot = 1 takeoff + 1 landing?
3. How would JFK reallocate slots relinquished by say, Virgin or South African? Are those airlines free to sell them, even if bankrupt, or does JFK auction them, etc...?
4. What stops Delta from just buying relinquished slots to keep out competitors?
Slots Held / Slots Operated / Airline
45 / 0 / United
212 / 212 / American
401 / 446 / Delta
334 / 336 / Jet Blue
24 / 24 / Alaska
20 / 18 / BA
9 / 11 / Virgin Atlantic
8 / 9 / Norwegian
6 / 6 / Lufthansa
1 / 1 / El Al
2 / 2 / South African
2 / 2 / Volaris
Etc...
So it looks like UA holds 45 slots but operates zero.
1. Delta operates 45 more than they own, so did Delta buy all UA's slots?
2. Does a slot = 1 takeoff + 1 landing?
3. How would JFK reallocate slots relinquished by say, Virgin or South African? Are those airlines free to sell them, even if bankrupt, or does JFK auction them, etc...?
4. What stops Delta from just buying relinquished slots to keep out competitors?
Oct 7, 2020, 8:10 pm
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Thx. That's an interesting link! JFK data:
Slots Held / Slots Operated / Airline
45 / 0 / United
212 / 212 / American
401 / 446 / Delta
334 / 336 / Jet Blue
24 / 24 / Alaska
20 / 18 / BA
9 / 11 / Virgin Atlantic
8 / 9 / Norwegian
6 / 6 / Lufthansa
1 / 1 / El Al
2 / 2 / South African
2 / 2 / Volaris
Etc...
So it looks like UA holds 45 slots but operates zero.
1. Delta operates 45 more than they own, so did Delta buy all UA's slots?
2. Does a slot = 1 takeoff + 1 landing?
3. How would JFK reallocate slots relinquished by say, Virgin or South African? Are those airlines free to sell them, even if bankrupt, or does JFK auction them, etc...?
4. What stops Delta from just buying relinquished slots to keep out competitors?
Slots Held / Slots Operated / Airline
45 / 0 / United
212 / 212 / American
401 / 446 / Delta
334 / 336 / Jet Blue
24 / 24 / Alaska
20 / 18 / BA
9 / 11 / Virgin Atlantic
8 / 9 / Norwegian
6 / 6 / Lufthansa
1 / 1 / El Al
2 / 2 / South African
2 / 2 / Volaris
Etc...
So it looks like UA holds 45 slots but operates zero.
1. Delta operates 45 more than they own, so did Delta buy all UA's slots?
2. Does a slot = 1 takeoff + 1 landing?
3. How would JFK reallocate slots relinquished by say, Virgin or South African? Are those airlines free to sell them, even if bankrupt, or does JFK auction them, etc...?
4. What stops Delta from just buying relinquished slots to keep out competitors?
Oct 7, 2020, 10:25 pm
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1. Delta operates 45 more than they own, so did Delta buy all UA's slots?
2. Does a slot = 1 takeoff + 1 landing?
3. How would JFK reallocate slots relinquished by say, Virgin or South African? Are those airlines free to sell them, even if bankrupt, or does JFK auction them, etc...?
4. What stops Delta from just buying relinquished slots to keep out competitors?
2. Does a slot = 1 takeoff + 1 landing?
3. How would JFK reallocate slots relinquished by say, Virgin or South African? Are those airlines free to sell them, even if bankrupt, or does JFK auction them, etc...?
4. What stops Delta from just buying relinquished slots to keep out competitors?
2 - Oddly, no. If you look at the detailed reports, A = arrival authorizations and D = departure authorizations. You'd think 𝚺A would equal 𝚺D for each airline, but somehow that isn't the case. I guess excess authorities are traded with other airlines, or allow some schedule flexibility to the airline, or something.
3 - An airline is allowed to sell them, even in bankruptcy. However, until they're sold, they must continue to meet all requirements; if they fail to do so, the FAA may reclaim them. (JFK cannot). Oddly, while the airlines may sell them, it appears that the FAA cannot. The FAA is required to distribute them for free, in such a manner as to benefit the public. In practice, it means that a smaller airline at an airport would generally have precedence.
4 - Antitrust law. Additionally, the regulation that gave the airlines the rights to sell their slots also gives the FAA the right to reject a swap as being inimical to the public interest.
BTW: International slots cannot be used for domestic operations, and vice-versa. So, UA is unlikely to be in the market for slots from, say, SAA.
PS: No, I can't reconcile this with the fact that clearly BR did not have one, single, arrival slot per day at JFK. However, slots are typically referred to as "pairs," and the detailed view clearly breaks down the pair into arrival and departure times (by half-hour window, it looks like). UA didn't have 45 pairs; according to several sources I'm reading, it seems they had 26. Which, of course, doesn't match either...
Last edited by jsloan; Oct 7, 2020 at 10:40 pm
Oct 7, 2020, 10:27 pm
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