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Australian doctor flew DEN-SFO-MEL with Covid19

Australian doctor flew DEN-SFO-MEL with Covid19

Old Mar 6, 2020, 10:31 pm
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Australian doctor flew DEN-SFO-MEL with Covid19

The Guardian reports that an Australian doctor flew United back home with Flu like symptoms, then treated 70 patients at a Melbourne suburban clinic and THEN tested positive for Covid19!

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Old Mar 6, 2020, 10:50 pm
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Old Mar 6, 2020, 10:52 pm
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Originally Posted by transportprof
The Guardian reports that an Australian doctor flew United back home with Flu like symptoms, then treated 70 patients at a Melbourne suburban clinic and THEN tested positive for Covid19!

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This is bad news, and very poor decision-making on the doctor's part. I got sick in early FEB after attending a trade event with Chinese nationals. As I was driving home from the event, I got a bad chill and aches in my joints, so I suspected that I had the flu. I didn't even go home to my wife after 3 days of driving, but isolated myself at my warehouse for 8 days and kept my staff away, working at home, as well. I don't know what I had, but it was strange in that it made me feel very weak along with the coughing and other respiratory symptoms. I convinced myself that I didn't have this thing but, of course, I was never tested so who knows?

A doctor, presumably much smarter and more well-versed in medical matters than myself should've immediately self-quarantined.
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Old Mar 6, 2020, 11:25 pm
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This is bad news, and very poor decision-making on the doctor's part. I got sick in early FEB after attending a trade event with Chinese nationals. As I was driving home from the event, I got a bad chill and aches in my joints, so I suspected that I had the flu. I didn't even go home to my wife after 3 days of driving, but isolated myself at my warehouse for 8 days and kept my staff away, working at home, as well. I don't know what I had, but it was strange in that it made me feel very weak along with the coughing and other respiratory symptoms. I convinced myself that I didn't have this thing but, of course, I was never tested so who knows?

A doctor, presumably much smarter and more well-versed in medical matters than myself should've immediately self-quarantined.
I guess you won't be one of the Zombies who will attack us...

It sounds like you had it. Congratulations that you had it, did not give it to other people and made through it OK. If everyone is as careful as you are, then we would be a lot safer.

I wonder if the US CDC will start tracking down the doctor's travels - especially notifying the passengers on the DEN-SFO flight. Then of course if he ate the the lounge, the food utensils, etc.
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Old Mar 6, 2020, 11:28 pm
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Originally Posted by transportprof
The Guardian reports that an Australian doctor flew United back home with Flu like symptoms, then treated 70 patients at a Melbourne suburban clinic and THEN tested positive for Covid19!

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It is not hard to understand how this coronavirus is spreading so rapidly.
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Old Mar 6, 2020, 11:44 pm
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It is not hard to understand how this coronavirus is spreading so rapidly.
...and how resources (medical personnel, first responders) can be depleted quickly when things like this happen.
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All the Australian guidance until the last week was about China- added more destinations now but USA isnt one of them either. The last guidance Ive seen from our local department of health this guy wouldnt even have been eligible for a test unless he had severe symptoms with no alternative explanation

how many known cases have there been in Denver and SF?

every time I get on a plane I end up getting off with a runny nose and a cracking sinus headache. I can just imagine my bosss reaction if I said I had to self isolate for 14 days every time as a result

Im a little bit disappointed that a chief medical officer health minister sees fit to use words like flabbergasted about this guy continuing to work, given that he came from an area that government is not classifying as risk, and he followed the official guidance


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Old Mar 6, 2020, 11:56 pm
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I guess you won't be one of the Zombies who will attack us...
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I wonder if the US CDC will start tracking down the doctor's travels - especially notifying the passengers on the DEN-SFO flight. Then of course if he ate the the lounge, the food utensils, etc.
I wonder exactly the same as you, plus whether United will take the crew on those flights out of service for a couple of weeks and deep clean those aircraft?

I got the email from Oscar today that others have been commenting on in another thread and if those words mean what they say, then there should be a transparent and public response on UAs part.

I am scheduled to fly SFO-MEL next month and am thus particularly interested to learn the response from UA.
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Originally Posted by nancypants
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how many known cases have there been in Denver and SF?
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Question is probably rhetorical but https://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/a...23467b48e9ecf6 and https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

If I were in a foreign country (especially one like the US with super expensive health care system) and feel I might have this, I would try to make it home. However, I definitely would be careful enroute (mask, don't touch things) and self-quarantine upon arriving home.

Originally Posted by transportprof
I wonder exactly the same as you, plus whether United will take the crew on those flights out of service for a couple of weeks and deep clean those aircraft?

I got the email from Oscar today that others have been commenting on in another thread and if those words mean what they say, then there should be a transparent and public response on UA’s part.

I am scheduled to fly SFO-MEL next month and am thus particularly interested to learn the response from UA.
Judging how UA cleans the planes and how most Americans are still not taking this seriously, I would not count on it.

Here is how EVA handled a case: https://focustaiwan.tw/society/202003050019
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Well, where did he come from? Was he transitioning from an Egyptian cruise? Was he skiing in Colorado for two weeks? Was he with family?
There is very little meaningful information about these cases, which makes it very difficult to assess risk to the general flying public.
I realize that patient privacy is important, but there should be more information about individual cases.

So far in Hawaii its only been one patient on a cruise ship (floating disease harbors), but its only a matter of time.

Better to have more data.
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My daughter was on this SFO to MEL flight !
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Originally Posted by anniegray
My daughter was on this SFO to MEL flight !
Has United (or any other organization) contacted her about the situation?
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Originally Posted by transportprof
Has United (or any other organization) contacted her about the situation?
Yes they have

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Old Mar 7, 2020, 2:27 am
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Originally Posted by anniegray
She's a sales director for UA.
No real advice given as yet, but she knows which seat he was in, luckily in a different cabin to her
I hope that your daughter stays healthy. I also hope that United follows through on Oscar's email promising to put the health of potentially exposed passengers and crew above all else. These flights should be a litmus test of their sincerity on this commitment.
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Old Mar 7, 2020, 6:57 am
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Originally Posted by transportprof
I got the email from Oscar today that others have been commenting on in another thread and if those words mean what they say, then there should be a transparent and public response on UAs part.
That was going to be my comment as well. According to that email both aircraft would have been taken out of service for a deep cleaning. But of course all planes do quick turnarounds and the doctor didn't know he had it for days so the germs were already dead on the aircraft. Did anyone notice a 787 out of service recently? My guess is it would have been the one that flew SFO-MEL.

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