Is United going to have twice the number of 1Ks with the new qualification program?
Jan 29, 2020, 11:45 am
#1
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Join Date: Jul 2010
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Is United going to have twice the number of 1Ks with the new qualification program?
Last year I barely made renewal for 1K. (Reached it on segments, fell a couple thou short on miles.) This year... I will probably make the renewal by the end of June. All travel is domestic and since Cleveland hasn't been a hub for a number of years now almost all travel is 2 segments each way.
With one round-trip per week then, the PQF can be reached in just over 3 months. The PQP will take a little longer (company doesn't permit flying first class) but still easily achieved in 6 months. Last year I flew at least 3x per week and again, barely made 1K.
What's going on?
With one round-trip per week then, the PQF can be reached in just over 3 months. The PQP will take a little longer (company doesn't permit flying first class) but still easily achieved in 6 months. Last year I flew at least 3x per week and again, barely made 1K.
What's going on?
Jan 29, 2020, 12:36 pm
#3
Join Date: Jul 2017
Location: YVR
Programs: UA 1K
Posts: 975
Business travelers like yourself who can qualify on PQF + PQP or just PQP alone will make 1K easier now, and the new MP can even attract AA or DL business fliers.
Those who relied on PQM + PQD (or just PQM for those with PQD waivers) to qualify and people who won't be able to hit the new PQF requirements (especially living in hub cities) will be heavily gutted.
Which side has more travelers? Only UA knows.
Those who relied on PQM + PQD (or just PQM for those with PQD waivers) to qualify and people who won't be able to hit the new PQF requirements (especially living in hub cities) will be heavily gutted.
Which side has more travelers? Only UA knows.
Jan 29, 2020, 12:37 pm
#4
Join Date: Jan 2003
Location: DEN
Programs: UA 1P-1MM, Marriott LT Titanium
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Last year I barely made renewal for 1K. (Reached it on segments, fell a couple thou short on miles.) This year... I will probably make the renewal by the end of June. All travel is domestic and since Cleveland hasn't been a hub for a number of years now almost all travel is 2 segments each way.
With one round-trip per week then, the PQF can be reached in just over 3 months. The PQP will take a little longer (company doesn't permit flying first class) but still easily achieved in 6 months. Last year I flew at least 3x per week and again, barely made 1K.
What's going on?
With one round-trip per week then, the PQF can be reached in just over 3 months. The PQP will take a little longer (company doesn't permit flying first class) but still easily achieved in 6 months. Last year I flew at least 3x per week and again, barely made 1K.
What's going on?
Jan 29, 2020, 12:58 pm
#5
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: IAD
Programs: UA 1K & 2MM, MR Titanium
Posts: 459
The key takeaway for me from these changes is that the UA is purposely changing the profile of 1Ks away from those who fly longer international legs to qualify to those who fly shorter domestic legs. That should also mean fewer upgrades being used on longer international legs, allowing UA to sell the upgrades (or the seats). Further monetization of upgrades for UA and even fewer CPUs for elites.
Jan 29, 2020, 1:07 pm
#6
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Location: DAY
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I don't think they are purposely trying to do that (although it may have that effect). What they really to change the profile to is people that spend more money vs. those who spend less money.
Jan 29, 2020, 1:32 pm
#8
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Colorado
Programs: Lifetime UA 1K, Lifetime Hilton Diamond, Lifetime Marriott Bonvoy Titanium
Posts: 1,261
For me personally, I didn't reach 1K qualification last year (I was at 90K PQMs) but I had $30,000 of spend. That spend would have gotten me there. I don't actually care since I'm 1K for life, but the new program makes it easier for me to achieve the 1K qualification.
Jan 29, 2020, 1:40 pm
#9
Join Date: Jul 2019
Posts: 336
my father has enjoyed 1K status for the last 7 or 8 years... he never spent more than $5000 each year. (edit: $4763 in 2019, $3915 in 2018, $5042 in 2017) He uses his German address as his account address. He divides his time equally in the US and Germany.
as a 100% leisure traveler all of his UA or Star Alliance flights were the lowest coach fares on TATL and TPAC nonstop flights.
well.. he still has 1K in 2020, but it's highly doubtful that he'll make 1K for 2021. (obviously)
as a 100% leisure traveler all of his UA or Star Alliance flights were the lowest coach fares on TATL and TPAC nonstop flights.
well.. he still has 1K in 2020, but it's highly doubtful that he'll make 1K for 2021. (obviously)
Last edited by Vangrovsky; Jan 29, 2020 at 1:49 pm
Jan 29, 2020, 1:53 pm
#10
Join Date: Feb 2017
Location: Houston
Programs: UA 1K and Million Miler, *A Gold, Marriott Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium, Hertz Five Star,
Posts: 1,301
There could be more qualifying from non-hubs and fewer at hubs. It is selective herd thinning for sure.
Jan 29, 2020, 1:54 pm
#11
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Unless you have access to UA's treasure trove of data and some good predictive software, you don't know anything.
A shift to a spend-based program and some good perks for GS/1K suggest that the goal is to thin not grow the herd. Whether that will happen remains to be seen and may never be seen outside the company.
A shift to a spend-based program and some good perks for GS/1K suggest that the goal is to thin not grow the herd. Whether that will happen remains to be seen and may never be seen outside the company.
Jan 29, 2020, 2:06 pm
#12
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: SFO
Programs: UA 1K and MM, Marriot, Hilton
Posts: 804
I kind of view the new program as United hedging their rewards. Previously, short term goals i.e. 1K via miles also rewarded long term goals i.e. million mile status via miles flown. Now you have to fly more segments for 1K and distance to get MM. It doesnt matter much to me, I am a just short of global service 1K sucker who flies 150K BIS a year and spend about 30K usually. Killing the out of US exceptions for money spent is probably the biggest win for United.
Jan 29, 2020, 2:11 pm
#13
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I think they pretty much tipped their hand on their expectations on the website --
"We expect the total Premier population to grow based on these changes, as we want the program to recognize all of our loyal members. The new program will benefit many members who are limited by the current requirements, such as those who spend more on domestic travel but aren’t meeting the distance or high segment requirements. While Premier status will be accessible to more members overall, members will have to do more to reach 1K status, which will help us preserve the value of the benefits members earn at that level."
The last line in the above strongly implies to me that they expect there will be fewer, not more 1K's, even as the total population of Premiers is expected to grow. They may swoop up a few DL/AA elites as 1K's, but it likely won't offset those who either fall in status or leave completely.
"We expect the total Premier population to grow based on these changes, as we want the program to recognize all of our loyal members. The new program will benefit many members who are limited by the current requirements, such as those who spend more on domestic travel but aren’t meeting the distance or high segment requirements. While Premier status will be accessible to more members overall, members will have to do more to reach 1K status, which will help us preserve the value of the benefits members earn at that level."
The last line in the above strongly implies to me that they expect there will be fewer, not more 1K's, even as the total population of Premiers is expected to grow. They may swoop up a few DL/AA elites as 1K's, but it likely won't offset those who either fall in status or leave completely.
Jan 29, 2020, 2:13 pm
#14
Join Date: Apr 2014
Location: CLE/RSW
Programs: Marriot Lifetime Plat
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United knows exactly how many 1Ks there would have been if they adopted this for 2019. Whether that number is higher or lower, only they know. I'm sure they have some data that will predict 2021 numbers as well, but we will never know.