Pax trapped in the lav, UA1554 (DCA-SFO) diverted to DEN, bring on the bathroom humor
#61
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Correct me if Im wrong here but isnt it an CFR violation to be in the lavatory during taxiing, take off and landing? What if there was an emergency on board and they had to evacuate? Certainly would be one of the worst ways to die.
Safe Travels,
James
Safe Travels,
James
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One would think it a much more serious violation to run out of fuel and crash pending opening of the lav door.
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Emergency declaration will supersede CFRs in most real world applications.
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Yes. "Man bites dog."
If an event is more unusual or rarer, it gets more attention than similar occurrences with similar consequences.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_bi...g_(journalism)
If an event is more unusual or rarer, it gets more attention than similar occurrences with similar consequences.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man_bi...g_(journalism)
many times something makes the news, but it is some non-noteworthy event. It is only because of some connection. That is why they like to say "some famous person's sister got jailed". This person is not known by name, but because they are related to someone famous it implies some connection, and thus you want to read about it.
In terms of airplane events, many events on the airplane are not newsworthy. As in, people get in a fight. Even having officers meet them upon landing isn't newsworthy-happens not uncommonly. It just seems like the public likes to read about things that happen on a plane. I would venture to say because they don't fly that much. If people flew as much as they drove, then this stuff wouldn't be news anymore.
In fact, I'm sure much more interesting stuff happens on public busses, but that isn't the audience newspaper caters to?
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I think the only crime was the lack of resourcefulness and problem-solving skills in getting the door open
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Probably some stronger crew/pax could have kicked the door down but that's with significant risk of hurting the occupant. Better to land and remove the door safely.
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If five firemen with crowbars take 20 minutes to get the door open, it's not a surprise that a bunch of FAs/pax with very limited tools could do it in less time than it would take to divert.
Probably some stronger crew/pax could have kicked the door down but that's with significant risk of hurting the occupant. Better to land and remove the door safely.
Probably some stronger crew/pax could have kicked the door down but that's with significant risk of hurting the occupant. Better to land and remove the door safely.
I do not think there is but that is not what the airlines have said for decades.
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Safe Travels,
James
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The purpose of the ash tray is that if someone ignores the rule and does smoke in the lav they'll have somewhere safe to dispose of the cigarette instead of throwing it in the trash and possibly starting a fire.
In addition to the required ashtray, each lavatory is required to have a trash bin fire suppression system as the threat of an uncontrolled trash fire is so serious.
In addition to the required ashtray, each lavatory is required to have a trash bin fire suppression system as the threat of an uncontrolled trash fire is so serious.
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So in all seriousness... Is a diversion in such a case "strictly" necessary?
If that were me, I'd probably tell them not to bother diverting. I can do 2 1/2 hours sitting in the lav. Send an FA to my seat, gather my stuff up so it's secure, and let's get to our destination. I'd figure I've got more room sitting in the lav than at my seat anyway, and running water if I need a drink. Plus I can get up and stretch out. I'd tell them I'm happy to save United money and get everyone to their destination - just give me a voucher for half of what the diversion would've cost. :-)
Would that be permissible, or is there a protocol that says the flight has to divert?
If that were me, I'd probably tell them not to bother diverting. I can do 2 1/2 hours sitting in the lav. Send an FA to my seat, gather my stuff up so it's secure, and let's get to our destination. I'd figure I've got more room sitting in the lav than at my seat anyway, and running water if I need a drink. Plus I can get up and stretch out. I'd tell them I'm happy to save United money and get everyone to their destination - just give me a voucher for half of what the diversion would've cost. :-)
Would that be permissible, or is there a protocol that says the flight has to divert?