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gcashin Aug 15, 2019 9:47 am


Originally Posted by EWR764 (Post 31419137)
Is it a DB move in the first 2 rows of a 737, where the bins aren't as deep, if I can't stow my compliant rollaboard wheels-first? I usually put mine after row 3, but sometimes I don't have a choice, and end up in rows 1/2.

That's a rare example around the margins, but fine IMO. If I'm in the front of a 737, I'll generally shuffle my roller bag back a bin and it works in rows 2-3 and leave the first bin for bags that are a bit undersized. 99% of the cases where people store bags sideways in bins designed for wheels-first are because their bag is oversized, but there are a few outliers due to the curvature of the plane.

jsloan Aug 15, 2019 10:09 am


Originally Posted by gcashin (Post 31419299)
99% of the cases where people store bags sideways in bins designed for wheels-first are because their bag is oversized, but there are a few outliers due to the curvature of the plane.

I'd say it's closer to 50% oversized bags and 50% lazy/thoughtless passengers.

OP: If it was more than half full, your bag was way oversized, and I've have given you a look too, especially on the A319. Comparing it to somebody else's carry-on plus personal item just proves the point. The personal item is supposed to go under the seat in front of you, unless you're in the bulkhead -- and, even then, having two separate items makes it possible to arrange them in ways that aren't possible with a single, larger item.

uastarflyer Aug 15, 2019 10:14 am


Originally Posted by porciuscato (Post 31419265)
Very important and relevant. The volume of a 60kg woman is substantially less than 75 liters. He was carrying a pack that was bigger than the woman.


https://www.quora.com/Whats-the-volume-of-average-human

. If she is petite that is closer to 50kg. 75l would crush her.


Originally Posted by ekwang (Post 31419043)
it would be similar in overall profile to that of a medium size wheeled carry-on that had its handle extended and personal item attached to the extended handle. So, I guess I should feel a little guilty while it night technically fit the dimension guidelines

You are comparing your one bag with two. People don’t store a wheeled carryon with the handle extended and second bag still attached.

The GAs shouldn't have let the bag be brought on.

mahasamatman Aug 15, 2019 10:15 am


Originally Posted by uastarflyer (Post 31419397)
75l would crush her.

Liters are a measure of volume, not weight or mass.

arttravel Aug 15, 2019 10:16 am


Originally Posted by ekwang (Post 31419043)
Well, I do not believe my backpack would have fit with ink the guidelines. However, that being said, given a cursory visual inspection, it would be similar in overall profile to that of a medium size wheeled carry-on that had its handle extended and personal item attached to the extended handle. So, I guess I should feel a little guilty while it night technically fit the dimension guidelines, it does not fit like the intended items. With regard to my comment about the pax, you are correct, in hindsight it was an irrelevant comment on my part and had no bearing on the subject matter in the first place. Thanks for your thoughts.

One does not put the wheel bag in the overhead with the handle extended —. The maximum dimension is 22” and most of the metal frame 75l are at least 6” longer.

If I look at my roller bag and extend the handle for an equivalent that Is a large bag for carryone.

You may not be allowed to carry it on the plane for the return flight as the Europeans can be more strict.

mahasamatman Aug 15, 2019 10:18 am


Originally Posted by arttravel (Post 31419402)
You may not be allowed to carry it on the plane for the return flight as the Europeans can be more strict.

Most European airlines go by weight, but in my experience they completely ignore backpacks.

uastarflyer Aug 15, 2019 11:16 am


Originally Posted by mahasamatman (Post 31419401)
Liters are a measure of volume, not weight or mass.

It was a (attempted) joke leveraging the prior post.

Filled up with anvils though....

arttravel Aug 15, 2019 11:16 am


Originally Posted by mahasamatman (Post 31419409)
Most European airlines go by weight, but in my experience they completely ignore backpacks.

Swiss and Lufthansa have max dimensions — either 55 or 57 cm if I remember. I had a bag that was often questioned.

ExplorerWannabe Aug 15, 2019 11:34 am

75 liter backpacks are HUGE. Granted, my main backpack when I was actively camping is a little bigger but that is WAY beyond a legitimate carry-on size (never mind the fact that the awkward shape means it takes even more room than 2 regular rollaboards would). I don't care how much you paid for your ticket -- unless you bought an extra ticket, you SHOULD feel guilty for taking that as a carry-on. I've seen people bring full-size backpacks on for decades and always wondered what went through their minds thinking those were legitimate carry-ons, how the gate agents missed it, and why the FAs didn't object.

Claiming a cursory visual inspection says it would be similar in profile to a medium wheeled carry-on with personal item attached is just nonsense and you should know that. In the first place, that personal item is separable for easier stowage and the handle retracts. In the second place, there is no way a 75 liter backpack comes even close to that profile. "Technically fit the dimensions"? Not even close.

Collierkr Aug 15, 2019 11:37 am


Originally Posted by Often1 (Post 31418992)
Why is it important to describe the woman as "petite"? Is i relevant?

The sole question is whether your backpack meets the published dimensions for carry-on, not whether it fits the OH. If it was oversize, the GA ought to have stopped you or the FA should have it gate-checked. If it is within the published dimensions, neither the GA nor FA have a basis to complaint.

Ignore the non-employee.

Why is it relevant to call out the mention of "petite"... I agree with the rest of your points.

BBSHOPSINGER Aug 15, 2019 11:40 am


Originally Posted by EWR764 (Post 31419137)
75L backpacks are way over the carry-on size limit, but at least you got on. I'd maybe feel a touch guilty, and move along. Sometimes, especially in Europe, I get tagged for an oversized/overweight rollaboard (usually >10kg), and don't put up much of a fight, even though I know it fits, and I know there will be bin space. The rules are pretty clear, it's enforcement that's spotty.



Is it a DB move in the first 2 rows of a 737, where the bins aren't as deep, if I can't stow my compliant rollaboard wheels-first? I usually put mine after row 3, but sometimes I don't have a choice, and end up in rows 1/2.

If your rollaboard is compliant, then it will fit wheels-first on a 737. It may not fit on a regional jet, but that's another story.

EWR764 Aug 15, 2019 11:55 am


Originally Posted by BBSHOPSINGER (Post 31419770)
If your rollaboard is compliant, then it will fit wheels-first on a 737. It may not fit on a regional jet, but that's another story.

Not over Rows 1 and 2 on 737-700/800 and definitely not in Sky Interior first row bins. The 737-900s (non-Sky) have bin extensions that will allow it to fit somewhere over row 2, but the curvature of the fuselage limits the space in the first few rows. Every other fleet, no problem.

The bag fits in the newer sizers, though I realize there is a bit of a margin there.

WineCountryUA Aug 15, 2019 12:19 pm


Originally Posted by ekwang (Post 31419043)
Well, I do not believe my backpack would have fit with ink the guidelines. However, that being said, given a cursory visual inspection, it would be similar in overall profile to that of a medium size wheeled carry-on that had its handle extended and personal item attached to the extended handle. ...

And the personal item should go at your feet and the roll-aboard in the OHB. So it might be similar in total volume but the 75L backpack is taking excessive OHB space.


Originally Posted by ekwang (Post 31418953)
... I felt like I was being made to feel guilty, but frankly I paid good money for my Z class ticket. ...

While premium cabin comes with enhanced checked luggage, it does not comes with enhance carry-on capabilities.

Kacee Aug 15, 2019 3:01 pm


Originally Posted by EWR764 (Post 31419137)
Is it a DB move in the first 2 rows of a 737, where the bins aren't as deep, if I can't stow my compliant rollaboard wheels-first?

It is when you then claim this was justified "because I paid good money for my Z fare."

GoSh4rks Aug 15, 2019 4:35 pm


Your carry-on bag should fit in the overhead bin. The maximum dimensions for a carry-on bag are 9 inches x 14 inches x 22 inches (22 centimeters x 35 centimeters x 56 centimeters). https://www.united.com/ual/en/us/fly.../carry-on.html
That's 43,120 cm^3. Or 43.1 L. A full or even somewhat full 75L pack is nowhere close to conforming with the size limit.


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