AM PDX-IAD cancelled for most of July
May 26, 2019, 8:57 pm
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Just to follow up... UA today posted a lot of close-in frequency reductions for July that are a direct result of the MAX grounding. I am pretty confident in assuming this is one such cancellation.
May 27, 2019, 7:42 am
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ORD has two drawbacks compared to IAD.
1) Fewer connections to Europe. They don’t fly to MAD, BCN, LIS, for example.
2) The European arrival times from ORD are not conducive for those needing to work the next day. AMS, BRU, MUC all arrive after 9am. The IAD flights arrive around 7am.
So the next option is EWR. However, UA only has one daytime flight PDX-EWR. It arrives at 2p. With many EWR-Europe flights leaving around 8pm, that’s not a great option either.
My point is a 3pm arrival into IAD is a significant loss for PDX-based UA fliers seeking to go to Europe. Yes, they can still get there but not nearly as easily or conveniently.
May 27, 2019, 8:44 am
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May 27, 2019, 8:49 am
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There are many reasons why a connection at IAD is better than EWR or ORD. But, in a world where frequencies and capacity must be cut, the question is whether UA will lose traffic if the routing is through one of the "lesser" hubs. For the most part I don't think that most passengers consider all of this. They or their TA look at the screen to determine availability and pricing and they make a selection.
May 27, 2019, 11:24 am
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None. But that’s not the best way to look at it.
ORD has two drawbacks compared to IAD.
1) Fewer connections to Europe. They don’t fly to MAD, BCN, LIS, for example.
2) The European arrival times from ORD are not conducive for those needing to work the next day. AMS, BRU, MUC all arrive after 9am. The IAD flights arrive around 7am.
So the next option is EWR. However, UA only has one daytime flight PDX-EWR. It arrives at 2p. With many EWR-Europe flights leaving around 8pm, that’s not a great option either.
My point is a 3pm arrival into IAD is a significant loss for PDX-based UA fliers seeking to go to Europe. Yes, they can still get there but not nearly as easily or conveniently.
May 28, 2019, 5:49 am
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Travelers used to dom --> intl transfers who have been through a bunch of eastern US hubs? No. Those who know would rank an EWR transfer last and go to some lengths to avoid?
Any occasional traveler who has been burned once in the past, cooling their heels in RIC or BUF or CLE waiting out an ATC or weather hold while their EWR-XXX TATL takes off without them? Also no. It only takes one busted trip to teach people to avoid EWR.
May 28, 2019, 7:00 am
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That's true but it impacts flights from the West Coast far less than others. By the time the FAA starts clamping things down at EWR, a flight from PDX would be well on its way.
May 30, 2019, 12:42 pm
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Just one data point; I would have booked PDX-IAD-BCN for a trip in July and with the schedule change and elimination of that flight, I'm now going to fly Delta PDX-AMS-BCN instead. There goes a $6K loss that won't be attributed to the MAX grounding but is indirectly related.
May 30, 2019, 6:10 pm
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Just one data point; I would have booked PDX-IAD-BCN for a trip in July and with the schedule change and elimination of that flight, I'm now going to fly Delta PDX-AMS-BCN instead. There goes a $6K loss that won't be attributed to the MAX grounding but is indirectly related.
Jun 3, 2019, 7:38 pm
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Well this comes as a surprise
All,
Just happened to learn about this change by accident. No notification from United, just a different itinerary that I wasn't even warned about or asked to accept.
This is my outbound flight connecting to onward flight to Lisbon in Polaris. Plenty of connection time at IAD. Just more concerned about connection in Denver in case of weather or some other delay.
Still retained my preferred exit row seats for my wife and I, and have an Mileage based upgrade request pending.
Will have to think about possible options.
Oh well.
Just happened to learn about this change by accident. No notification from United, just a different itinerary that I wasn't even warned about or asked to accept.
This is my outbound flight connecting to onward flight to Lisbon in Polaris. Plenty of connection time at IAD. Just more concerned about connection in Denver in case of weather or some other delay.
Still retained my preferred exit row seats for my wife and I, and have an Mileage based upgrade request pending.
Will have to think about possible options.
Oh well.