UA SFO-AMS Half flight empty but no Business Saver
May 4, 2019, 10:29 am
#76
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Maybe they have to leave some percentage of seats for non-revs and allocate them ahead of time?
May 4, 2019, 10:37 am
#77
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May 4, 2019, 11:04 am
#78
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That was definitely the case when IAH-SYD started last year. The J cabin was wide open most days, and J Saver was easy to come by, like 4-5 days a week. Even so, there still plenty of empty seats, that would mostly get filled with non-revs - sometimes a couple dozen on a single flight. I watched this route frequently over several months last year. What's happening now with Saver award space, on new routes and old, is very different than what was in place even a few months ago. Things have changed.
May 4, 2019, 11:14 am
#79
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But, yes, they can (and do) change inventory on a flight-by-flight basis at times.
May 4, 2019, 2:16 pm
#80
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It protects the value of the product. Delta is infamous for this . Look at their financials against most every other domestic.
May 4, 2019, 6:10 pm
#82
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the logic is all of united profits comes from the mileage plus program- it goes bankrupt without it and our GPUs are instantly worthless. What was your logic?
May 4, 2019, 6:31 pm
#83
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Neither United nor mileage plus are at the risk of going bankrupt. We are at a point in the economy where people should probably expect to pay for the service they desire. Load factors and profit margins indicate as such. Anything else is just a bonus. There will come A-day when the economy swings the other way. For now, if you want business you should probably pay for it.
May 4, 2019, 6:33 pm
#84
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Neither United nor mileage plus are at the risk of going bankrupt. We are at a point in the economy where people should probably expect to pay for the service they desire. Load factors and profit margins indicate as such. Anything else is just a bonus. There will come A-day when the economy swings the other way. For now, if you want business you should probably pay for it.
May 4, 2019, 6:47 pm
#85
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you got a bonus. Expect it to get worse. I'm diamond on Delta and only gold on UA. Wait a year with dynamic pricing. We can compare notes then.
May 5, 2019, 5:22 am
#86
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Revenue Management is somewhat of a Dark Art ...
Jan 10, 2020, 12:23 pm
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Jan 10, 2020, 12:58 pm
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