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Originally Posted by eeeee
(Post 31043686)
Did you read the rest of the thread? I'm not flying on the return, I'm not asking for any money back. But I'm not going to pay them for the privilege of not getting on the plane. I was trying to be considerate and open up a seat when I knew I wasn't going to fly.
Also the airlines have already factored into their intricate models the fact that you won't show up for the flight. They've got decades of historical travel data for them to estimate the proportion of no shows. Hence the reason why airlines rarely oversell their flights. Safe Travels, James |
Originally Posted by j2simpso
(Post 31043660)
Please don't do that. While I can understand your frustration of UA's change policies and want to protest this stupidity, please consider the many passengers you may impact on doing this. Would you be happy flying to Tokyo (via San Francisco) from Newark only to misconnect at San Francisco because someone thought it was a great idea to make UA wait for a no show? Every action a pax does has unforeseen consequences that can be felt throughout the travel experience impacting people the pax may never have seen or were aware of.
-James LAX |
Originally Posted by LAX
(Post 31043861)
UA already has the money in its pocket, why ask for more for the privilege of getting the seat to sell a second time? It makes no sense and I personally won't have a problem checking-in for a flight I don't intend to take if it were me.
-James |
OP: I understand it is surely frustrating to have to pay basically more than twice the original fare after making a last minute change. However, making a change is often still cheaper than buying a fully refundable / flexible ticket. Most of us on FT have figured out that for any regular flyer, even if you have to bite the bullet once in a while and pay the change fee and the new (higher) rate, buying non-refundable tickets is still way cheaper than buying flexible / refundable tickets.
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Originally Posted by j2simpso
(Post 31043660)
Please don't do that. While I can understand your frustration of UA's change policies and want to protest this stupidity, please consider the many passengers you may impact on doing this. Would you be happy flying to Tokyo (via San Francisco) from Newark only to misconnect at San Francisco because someone thought it was a great idea to make UA wait for a no show? Every action a pax does has unforeseen consequences that can be felt throughout the travel experience impacting people the pax may never have seen or were aware of.
-James At some point, they may hold if there are several travelers that they know are running a bit late due to a Delayed inbound, but let’s not pretend they will hold it for the OP (and for all we know, the OPs PNR know has a note in it). |
Originally Posted by j2simpso
(Post 31042716)
Out of curiosity, could the OP do a SDC on their itinerary with it routing through IAD (i.e. EWR > IAD > SFO) then call up UA and ask them to drop the first segment?
Originally Posted by eeeee
(Post 31043618)
Follow up: I was unable to accomplish any of this online, I could only cancel the entire round trip or make a change, at a higher cost. After a half hour on hold, I spoke to an agent. She split the PNRs, and after 20 or so minutes of back and forth, as she was confirming the cancel and that I would have a $142 credit, told me I had to pay the $200 change fee now. I told her I wasn't going to pay United for the privilege of not flying. No ma'am, you are changing your ticket and you must pay the fee. I asked to speak to a supervisor, trying to explain that I was not going to pay them money to not fly.
In this case, it's not entirely clear that the agent is wrong. I mean, I think the agent is wrong, and WineCountryUA and Kacee both indicated that you can do this, and I'm 100% certain you can do it after you've taken the outbound. But I'm not sure that the agent isn't technically correct when you're trying to make this particular type of change prior to departure, especially if your ticket was fared as a round-trip. You may have gotten a different answer if you had said "I know I'm going to have to stay later than the rest of the party, but I'm not sure exactly how long; can you cancel my return now, to free up the seat, and then I'll call back when I have my travel plans finalized?" Just a thought for next time.
Originally Posted by eeeee
(Post 31043618)
I'll probably check in for the united flight, too, just out of spite.
Originally Posted by j2simpso
(Post 31043660)
Please don't do that. While I can understand your frustration of UA's change policies and want to protest this stupidity, please consider the many passengers you may impact on doing this.
Originally Posted by j2simpso
(Post 31043897)
At some point (unsure when) UA will conclude that while OP did check in, they're a no-show
Originally Posted by phkc070408
(Post 31044390)
buying non-refundable tickets is still way cheaper than buying flexible / refundable tickets.
OP: As crazy as this sounds, UA (and most airlines) actually forbids buying a ticket and then not using it. I mean, they won't drag you onto the plane :), but it's contrary to their contract of carriage (it's called throwaway ticketing). When you bought the ticket, they gave you a discount in exchange for some conditions; one of the conditions was that you would fly the itinerary as purchased or pay the necessary change fees to change it to something else. Now, they're known to be reasonable, and they understand that when the remaining credit is less than the change fee, few people are going to pay that fee, which is why I'm surprised that you ran into an agent who was being a stickler about it. But they're not wrong, per se -- they're just being pigheaded. |
Originally Posted by eeeee
(Post 31043618)
Follow up: I was unable to accomplish any of this online, I could only cancel the entire round trip or make a change, at a higher cost. After a half hour on hold, I spoke to an agent. She split the PNRs, and after 20 or so minutes of back and forth, as she was confirming the cancel and that I would have a $142 credit, told me I had to pay the $200 change fee now. I told her I wasn't going to pay United for the privilege of not flying. No ma'am, you are changing your ticket and you must pay the fee.
And I just realized the complication in the OP's situation - they needed to book an alternate flight back home on the same day from a different airport, and likely would run into problems with conflicting reservations. And, had they waited until flying the outbound flight before canceling the return, then the fare for the alternate return flight might have gone up. In that particular set of circumstances, booking the return on an alternate airline might very well have been the best thing to do. But, I would drop the notion of how "you're really sticking it to them" by using another carrier. UA loses out under this particular set of circumstances, but I'm quite confident that overall, they are ahead by requiring a refare for changes before the initial leg is flown, and by preventing overlapping bookings. |
Originally Posted by jsloan
(Post 31044444)
In this case, it's not entirely clear that the agent is wrong. I mean, I think the agent is wrong, and WineCountryUA and Kacee both indicated that you can do this, and I'm 100% certain you can do it after you've taken the outbound. But I'm not sure that the agent isn't technically correct when you're trying to make this particular type of change prior to departure, especially if your ticket was fared as a round-trip.
Originally Posted by jsloan
(Post 31044444)
OP: As crazy as this sounds, UA (and most airlines) actually forbids buying a ticket and then not using it. I mean, they won't drag you onto the plane :), but it's contrary to their contract of carriage (it's called throwaway ticketing). When you bought the ticket, they gave you a discount in exchange for some conditions; one of the conditions was that you would fly the itinerary as purchased or pay the necessary change fees to change it to something else. Now, they're known to be reasonable, and they understand that when the remaining credit is less than the change fee, few people are going to pay that fee, which is why I'm surprised that you ran into an agent who was being a stickler about it. But they're not wrong, per se -- they're just being pigheaded.
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Originally Posted by eeeee
(Post 31043618)
Follow up: I was unable to accomplish any of this online, I could only cancel the entire round trip or make a change, at a higher cost.
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Originally Posted by jsloan
(Post 31044444)
What I would do, however, now that you're booked onto Alaska, is to have your husband let you know if there's a flight delay on EWR-SFO. If there is, and it's substantial enough, call UA and ask them to refund your PNR. Also I have no problem with you checking in for the flight and no showing. |
I didn't want to make a new thread on this.
I have a somewhat convoluted itinerary. Here's my situation: -Flew first flights DTW-IAH-NRT-BKK, all good -Return is BKK-NRT(ANA)-EWR(Upgraded in PZ, booked in premium plus)-DTW Online, the change function always crashes. I usually just get "error, please call web services". Web services told me that since the first leg is on ANA, and also since I've already flown the first part of my flights, I have to call to change the return flights. Is that true? And how in the heck can I price out what a different routing would cost? I obviously can't search one way fares, and don't have the routing rules from when I booked. My other problem is I don't know what I want to change it to yet. And I feel like finding an alternative would be a complete shot in the dark, require a long hold with the rate desk, etc. It's a big mess right now, and ideally for me I could just change it online and see what the new fees and fare difference would cost. Any suggestions? If I don't pick a flight with Premium plus on it (which is what, NRT-SFO and NRT-LAX), I also fear that is further going to complicate things. I was hoping to get an ANA route across the pacific as they fly earlier from NRT. |
Originally Posted by BThumme
(Post 31313816)
I have to call to change the return flights. Is that true? And how in the heck can I price out what a different routing would cost? I obviously can't search one way fares, and don't have the routing rules from when I booked.
What change are you hoping to accomplish? Generally speaking, anything that "looks the same" as your original return (BKK-DTW in PE via a reasonable routing on *A) is probably going to be an even exchange if it has your original booking class available. You said yourself that you don't know what you want to change to, so it's a little bit tricky to comment. I pulled a random DTW-BKK R fare from a month ago and this is probably what the tags are for your fare too: Code:
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Originally Posted by findark
(Post 31313875)
I pulled a random DTW-BKK R fare from a month ago and this is probably what the tags are for your fare too:
Code:
/VIA THE PACIFIC/ |
Always makes me wonder things like how long has BUF been in that routing template and when if ever did CO offer service from BUF onward to a spoke? Believe today you can't manage BUF-LAS/HOU/DEN online :(
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Originally Posted by BThumme
(Post 31313816)
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-Return is BKK-NRT(ANA)-EWR(Upgraded in PZ, booked in premium plus)-DTW Online, the change function always crashes. .... Gotta call on this one. |
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