UA Agent Charged with Disorderly Conduct
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Dates back to the 40s with the Supreme Court - with nuances since in various court cases that have upheld racial slurs as fighting words. So it's not a recent development - but some folks are more aware of it over time. The key is using them directly at an individual in person. And then having witnesses to back it up.
https://www.cato.org/blog/fighting-words-free-speech
Still not clear to whether the passenger didn't commit trespassing - but that doesn't come into play for the agent's charge.
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Chicago Tribune says the passenger walked onto the tarmac first
"Hughes told police that after her plane arrived in Houston, she walked on the tarmac to see if workers were unloading bags, and Davano yelled at her to return inside the terminal. Hughes said the confrontation occurred after she asked Davano for a supervisor so she could discuss other issues about the flight."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...423-story.html
Puzzled why the UA agent didn't call the police on that before things escalated.
"Hughes told police that after her plane arrived in Houston, she walked on the tarmac to see if workers were unloading bags, and Davano yelled at her to return inside the terminal. Hughes said the confrontation occurred after she asked Davano for a supervisor so she could discuss other issues about the flight."
https://www.chicagotribune.com/busin...423-story.html
Puzzled why the UA agent didn't call the police on that before things escalated.
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It's the 'fighting words' doctrine. If someone uses fighting words directly to the face of someone, that has been construed as a disturbance of the peace in past cases (because it would be reasonable for the victim to retaliate with force). Thus the 'disorderly conduct' charge.
Dates back to the 40s with the Supreme Court - with nuances since in various court cases that have upheld racial slurs as fighting words. So it's not a recent development - but some folks are more aware of it over time. The key is using them directly at an individual in person. And then having witnesses to back it up.
https://www.cato.org/blog/fighting-words-free-speech
Still not clear to whether the passenger didn't commit trespassing - but that doesn't come into play for the agent's charge.
Dates back to the 40s with the Supreme Court - with nuances since in various court cases that have upheld racial slurs as fighting words. So it's not a recent development - but some folks are more aware of it over time. The key is using them directly at an individual in person. And then having witnesses to back it up.
https://www.cato.org/blog/fighting-words-free-speech
Still not clear to whether the passenger didn't commit trespassing - but that doesn't come into play for the agent's charge.
It has to be language intended to incite violence.
If an airport worker sees a pax walking around on the tarmac where they should not, it would be proper to yell at them "get back here". If instead they yelled "get back here you friggen idiot" it carries the same context. And replacing the ending with any other term, racists or not, does not change the context.
If the pax was walking back, and the agent stepped in their face and said "you are one stupid monkey", now I agree that could fall under the doctrine.
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It's the 'fighting words' doctrine. If someone uses fighting words directly to the face of someone, that has been construed as a disturbance of the peace in past cases (because it would be reasonable for the victim to retaliate with force). Thus the 'disorderly conduct' charge.
Dates back to the 40s with the Supreme Court - with nuances since in various court cases that have upheld racial slurs as fighting words. So it's not a recent development - but some folks are more aware of it over time. The key is using them directly at an individual in person. And then having witnesses to back it up.
https://www.cato.org/blog/fighting-words-free-speech
Still not clear to whether the passenger didn't commit trespassing - but that doesn't come into play for the agent's charge.
Dates back to the 40s with the Supreme Court - with nuances since in various court cases that have upheld racial slurs as fighting words. So it's not a recent development - but some folks are more aware of it over time. The key is using them directly at an individual in person. And then having witnesses to back it up.
https://www.cato.org/blog/fighting-words-free-speech
Still not clear to whether the passenger didn't commit trespassing - but that doesn't come into play for the agent's charge.
With identity now so politicized, the UA employee might argue that racial hate speech is in fact protected political speech. I doubt this would even get beyond the local courts, but it could be an interesting case. This legal argument would also require concession that "monkey" when directed as a personal insult, would represent speech containing identity hatred. So if the legal argument fails, the gate agent would have admitted guilt to the disorderly conduct charge.
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That doctrine really looks like a stretch here.
It has to be language intended to incite violence.
If an airport worker sees a pax walking around on the tarmac where they should not, it would be proper to yell at them "get back here". If instead they yelled "get back here you friggen idiot" it carries the same context. And replacing the ending with any other term, racists or not, does not change the context.
If the pax was walking back, and the agent stepped in their fact and said "you are one stupid monkey", now I agree that could fall under the doctrine.
It has to be language intended to incite violence.
If an airport worker sees a pax walking around on the tarmac where they should not, it would be proper to yell at them "get back here". If instead they yelled "get back here you friggen idiot" it carries the same context. And replacing the ending with any other term, racists or not, does not change the context.
If the pax was walking back, and the agent stepped in their fact and said "you are one stupid monkey", now I agree that could fall under the doctrine.
I'll leave it to the many attorneys here to provide a professional view.
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