Should United Cancel Its Order for 100 – 737 MAX 10s, & Order the A321neo?
Mar 26, 2019, 2:45 pm
#46
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As this thread had started to become a reprise of the B737MAX [Grounded as of 13 March 2019] thread, have moved much of this thread over into the MAX thread. Let's focus the discussion of the MAX issue in the MAX thread and not have two threads on the same topic.
This thread was started to ask if UA should switch to A321neo. That can be done without rehashing the MAX discussion. There is plenty of ground for discussion on the A321neo and United
If the thread agains drifts off in focusing on 737 MAX issues, those postings will be moved to the MAX thread.
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This thread was started to ask if UA should switch to A321neo. That can be done without rehashing the MAX discussion. There is plenty of ground for discussion on the A321neo and United
If the thread agains drifts off in focusing on 737 MAX issues, those postings will be moved to the MAX thread.
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Apr 8, 2019, 9:18 pm
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United adds A321XLR as possible 757 replacement
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...cement-457311/
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...cement-457311/
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Apr 8, 2019, 9:46 pm
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United adds A321XLR as possible 757 replacement
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...cement-457311/
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...cement-457311/
It would be poor business for UA not to do their due diligence when replacing the 757 fleet. Heck, if Comac had a MOM competitor, it'd probably be on that slide too.
That doesn't mean that UA will be ordering it. They might, but they haven't purchased a new Airbus plane in a long time, so I'll believe it when I see it.
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Apr 8, 2019, 10:14 pm
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Apr 9, 2019, 9:52 am
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no, United will stick with Boeing and be the launch customer of B797 and get a huge discount. furthermore I predict United will launch a brand new, All aisle access flat bed business product on teh 737-max10 in 2 years.
in 2 years, nobody will care about max issues anymore.
in 2 years, nobody will care about max issues anymore.
Apr 11, 2019, 12:41 pm
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UA adds A321XLR for consideration as 757 replacement
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...cement-457311/
UA will adds A321XLR as a replacement 757 aircraft.
Let the speculation begin!
UA will adds A321XLR as a replacement 757 aircraft.
Let the speculation begin!
Apr 11, 2019, 12:44 pm
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https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...cement-457311/
UA will adds A321XLR as a replacement 757 aircraft.
Let the speculation begin!
UA will adds A321XLR as a replacement 757 aircraft.
Let the speculation begin!
It says they added the A321XLR, which does not exist, to a list of other airplanes that do not exist, one of which will eventually replace their 757s.
Apr 11, 2019, 1:27 pm
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https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...cement-457311/
UA will adds A321XLR as a replacement 757 aircraft.
Let the speculation begin!
UA will adds A321XLR as a replacement 757 aircraft.
Let the speculation begin!
Apr 11, 2019, 2:56 pm
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Because there are usually Boeings flying the routes I typically take. Think I have to take an A319 and a couple A320s in June but that's just because of the routes I have to fly. The alternative to the A319 is a E145 that's a bit earlier. Just a 20 min hop so I stuck with the A319. I haven't had to work much to avoid Airbuses on my other flights.
Apr 11, 2019, 5:08 pm
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Because there are usually Boeings flying the routes I typically take. Think I have to take an A319 and a couple A320s in June but that's just because of the routes I have to fly. The alternative to the A319 is a E145 that's a bit earlier. Just a 20 min hop so I stuck with the A319. I haven't had to work much to avoid Airbuses on my other flights.
I grew up in Seattle, I have three cousins who were engineers there at one time or the other, one still is in a very high position. One of my best freind's dad was a very senior executive there. Boeing is unfortunately not the company that designed the 777, which was a revolutionary aircraft in all the right ways. It put the first generation of A330 to shame....
I think if you flew both, you would realize that the A320neo is a better bird. Wider, taller ceilings, better bins/bathrooms, and quieter. And now we know that it is safer...
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Apr 11, 2019, 5:40 pm
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I keep saying that what Airbus needs to do is do a stretch of the A321, add another 4-5 rows of Y (or 3 of Y, 1 of F), which would make the A322 be slightly larger in capacity than a 757. That is a better use of the 220,000 MTW that they are looking at for the A321XLR - which is set for a 4500nm range (vs. 3915nm for the 752), with a higher range of about 5000nm in a "premium" configuration.
Apr 11, 2019, 7:12 pm
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@spin88 No, it's a matter of saying that I don't like Airbus's design philosophy so I steer clear of their products. Aviation isn't my particular engineering specialty but I've covered some aspects. Nonetheless, Airbus's philosophy of trusting the computer over the trained experienced human is fraught with danger IME. The failures we THINK are behind these accidents are a result of Boeing adopting more of the Airbus design philosophy, one I think is inherently unsafe. Also, I don't refuse to fly on Airbus, I just prefer Boeing aircraft if available as an alternative. For that matter, I'd rather fly on an E175 or CRJ700 than an Airbus. Would have to think if it cam to a choice between E145 or CRJ200 and an Airbus.
Also, we don't KNOW an Airbus is safer, there are just a bunch of loud voices claiming that. If the option were presented to me on my next travel, I would get on a 737MAX flown by UA, AA, or DL pilots without question and I'd still prefer that flight over an A321 (to be fair, part of the rationale is that there is SO much attention paid to this factor right now that I expect any pilots flying a 737 will be monitoring the trim like a hawk watches a baby rabbit).
Also, we don't KNOW an Airbus is safer, there are just a bunch of loud voices claiming that. If the option were presented to me on my next travel, I would get on a 737MAX flown by UA, AA, or DL pilots without question and I'd still prefer that flight over an A321 (to be fair, part of the rationale is that there is SO much attention paid to this factor right now that I expect any pilots flying a 737 will be monitoring the trim like a hawk watches a baby rabbit).
Apr 11, 2019, 7:41 pm
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I keep saying that what Airbus needs to do is do a stretch of the A321, add another 4-5 rows of Y (or 3 of Y, 1 of F), which would make the A322 be slightly larger in capacity than a 757. That is a better use of the 220,000 MTW that they are looking at for the A321XLR - which is set for a 4500nm range (vs. 3915nm for the 752), with a higher range of about 5000nm in a "premium" configuration.
A lot of articles on the internet today about United & A321XLR
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