Landing while sleeping?
Feb 22, 2019, 5:30 am
#61
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I have flown in the past seated in the back row of economy. If I was the first one to arrive in my row, I would recline all of the seats on my side of the plane the short distance so they were all touching the back wall. This usually lead to my seat being fully reclined for the flight, including takeoff and landing. The FA's would not notice b/c they are usually focused on looking for seats that are out of alignment to see if any are reclined.
Feb 22, 2019, 8:07 am
#62
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Not certain what you're trying to say here. There are some crashes that are simply not survivable regardless of the seat or restraints. To state that a crash "shouldn't have happened in the first place" doesn't change the survivability implications of seat restraints.
Which vehicle is designed for getting hit by a train from the side? None. It actually seems to happen a bit.
What about a commercial airliner for a missile attack?
And the German pilot who crashed the plane into a mountain on purpose? Can you plan for that? Did the people who thought it smart to make a cockpit door unopenablr from outside think about that? Oh, they should have planned ...
Feb 22, 2019, 9:17 am
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Yes it does. One designs for things possible and likely, anything can happen but does not mean designers plan for it.
Which vehicle is designed for getting hit by a train from the side? None. It actually seems to happen a bit.
What about a commercial airliner for a missile attack?
And the German pilot who crashed the plane into a mountain on purpose? Can you plan for that? Did the people who thought it smart to make a cockpit door unopenablr from outside think about that? Oh, they should have planned ...
Which vehicle is designed for getting hit by a train from the side? None. It actually seems to happen a bit.
What about a commercial airliner for a missile attack?
And the German pilot who crashed the plane into a mountain on purpose? Can you plan for that? Did the people who thought it smart to make a cockpit door unopenablr from outside think about that? Oh, they should have planned ...
For a wall, well, that shouldn't have happened in the first place.
Feb 22, 2019, 9:08 pm
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Agreed. So whether it "shouldn't have happened in the first place" isn't relevant to the discussion of survivability of aircraft crashes into walls. Got it...
I did mention upthread that "There are some crashes that are simply not survivable regardless of the seat or restraints." Missile attacks and suicidal crashes into mountainsides generally fall into this category. Crashing into walls does not.
BTW, side impacts into automobiles by trains are occasionally survivable. Much of that survivability depends on the side impact protection systems installed in most vehicles.
I did mention upthread that "There are some crashes that are simply not survivable regardless of the seat or restraints." Missile attacks and suicidal crashes into mountainsides generally fall into this category. Crashing into walls does not.
BTW, side impacts into automobiles by trains are occasionally survivable. Much of that survivability depends on the side impact protection systems installed in most vehicles.
Sep 14, 2023, 6:55 pm
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Are there any airlines that allow being fully reclined in business class during takeoff/landing? Wondering if Finnair's new business seat that doesn't recline allows you to be lying down?
Sep 14, 2023, 7:17 pm
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I don't think it is allowed officially with any airlines for safety reasons, but I have definitely see people move them back to a more reclined position after FAs have made their rounds.
Sep 14, 2023, 8:45 pm
#68
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I had an unexpected experience recently. I was on a UA transcon in business (777-200 w/ the 2-2 setup). I was exhausted from a long international trip. I put the seat flat and fell asleep about halfway through the flight. I woke up, surprisingly, when the plane hit the ground.
Does anyone know if it is policy that lie-flat seats can stay flat during landing? If so, why? I thought the idea was that landing is risky and you want to have everyone ready to brace.
Sincerely,
A recent AA -> UA convert
Does anyone know if it is policy that lie-flat seats can stay flat during landing? If so, why? I thought the idea was that landing is risky and you want to have everyone ready to brace.
Sincerely,
A recent AA -> UA convert
The guy next to me in 17B on a HD777 was sitting directly in front of an FA. Just after wheels up, I saw him reaching behind to find his seat belt. I looked over at the FA expecting perhaps some embarrassment on her face for missing something right in front of her but she just rolled her eyes.
Sep 14, 2023, 10:07 pm
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