Nov 11, 2018, 9:43 pm
Last edit by: Ocn Vw 1K
Updated waiver as of >14 Nov. 2018: Note added cities and extended dates:
November 9, 2018 - November 23, 2018
Flight changes: The change fee and any difference in fare will be waived for new United flights departing on or before December 2, 2018, as long as travel is rescheduled in the originally ticketed cabin (any fare class) and between the same cities as originally ticketed.
Earlier waivers for this incident:
older waiver
- Burbank, CA (BUR)
- Los Angeles, CA (LAX)
- Sacramento, CA (SMF)
- San Francisco, CA (SFO)
- Santa Rosa, CA (STS)
November 9, 2018 - November 23, 2018
Flight changes: The change fee and any difference in fare will be waived for new United flights departing on or before December 2, 2018, as long as travel is rescheduled in the originally ticketed cabin (any fare class) and between the same cities as originally ticketed.
Earlier waivers for this incident:
older waiver
Travel Waiver California Wildfires 9-23 November 2018
Nov 11, 2018, 10:49 am
#31
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SFO delays are almost always issued to flights originating from CONUS+Canada, so NRT-SFO is OK. SFO-YYC will depend on aircraft scheduling.
Nov 11, 2018, 11:17 am
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That GS was for departures from ZLA ZLC ZOA ZSE only until 1730Z (0930 PST).
It's been replaced by a GDP affecting all CONUS+Canada departures arriving SFO before 2359Z (4 pm PST), average delay 57 min: https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_othe...eDate=11/11/18
It's been replaced by a GDP affecting all CONUS+Canada departures arriving SFO before 2359Z (4 pm PST), average delay 57 min: https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_othe...eDate=11/11/18
Anyway, UA1619 is apparently still "on schedule" according to united.com. I guess it won't actually get delayed unless the GDP gets extended past 4pm, and by then it might be too late to try to get an earlier flight. Thoughts about how likely that'll be?
Nov 11, 2018, 11:45 am
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Good to know, though isn't PST 7 hours behind UTC and not 8?
Anyway, UA1619 is apparently still "on schedule" according to united.com. I guess it won't actually get delayed unless the GDP gets extended past 4pm, and by then it might be too late to try to get an earlier flight. Thoughts about how likely that'll be?
Anyway, UA1619 is apparently still "on schedule" according to united.com. I guess it won't actually get delayed unless the GDP gets extended past 4pm, and by then it might be too late to try to get an earlier flight. Thoughts about how likely that'll be?
The GDP is counting on the 36 arrival rate to become 45 at 21Z (1 pm). Based on the demand chart (AADC) if they can go 45 they won't need to extend the GDP. If not, they'd revise the GDP soon after 1 pm. A proposed plan is usually posted before the telcon with airlines.
Today (UTC): https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_list...%2C+11-11-2018
After 4 pm PST: Manipulate the above URL.
Nov 11, 2018, 12:28 pm
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Because I have a 4 hour layover to run home / repack / head out again. Wanted to get in earlier to avoid surprises.
Classic HUCA and no issues changing the LH leg to reduce layover. Just seems strange as I’ve never heard that before and it took three tries
Are you changing because you're worried about the smoke causing delays, or just because you want to get in earlier? The odds of FRA-SFO being delayed any more than a few minutes by the smoke are close to zero. In fact, all of todays FRA-SFO flights (2xUA, 1xLH) are scheduled to arrive around an hour early.
Classic HUCA and no issues changing the LH leg to reduce layover. Just seems strange as I’ve never heard that before and it took three tries
Are you changing because you're worried about the smoke causing delays, or just because you want to get in earlier? The odds of FRA-SFO being delayed any more than a few minutes by the smoke are close to zero. In fact, all of todays FRA-SFO flights (2xUA, 1xLH) are scheduled to arrive around an hour early.
Nov 11, 2018, 12:30 pm
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PDT is UTC-7. PST is UTC-8.
The GDP is counting on the 36 arrival rate to become 45 at 21Z (1 pm). Based on the demand chart (AADC) if they can go 45 they won't need to extend the GDP. If not, they'd revise the GDP soon after 1 pm. A proposed plan is usually posted before the telcon with airlines.
Today (UTC): https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_list...%2C+11-11-2018
After 4 pm PST: Manipulate the above URL.
The GDP is counting on the 36 arrival rate to become 45 at 21Z (1 pm). Based on the demand chart (AADC) if they can go 45 they won't need to extend the GDP. If not, they'd revise the GDP soon after 1 pm. A proposed plan is usually posted before the telcon with airlines.
Today (UTC): https://www.fly.faa.gov/adv/adv_list...%2C+11-11-2018
After 4 pm PST: Manipulate the above URL.
I'll check again after lunch. It seems flights are often enough that that should be enough time to change if needed. I'm mainly concerned about bumping into SAN's curphew but if the delay's kept to an hour or two for the rest of the day that probably won't be an issue.
Nov 11, 2018, 3:26 pm
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New update here.
I'm guessing "disregard expected departure clearance time" is a good thing? Unfortunately my flight is now a bit delayed anyway due to the inbound plane being late.
I'm guessing "disregard expected departure clearance time" is a good thing? Unfortunately my flight is now a bit delayed anyway due to the inbound plane being late.
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Nov 11, 2018, 3:52 pm
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Nov 11, 2018, 4:23 pm
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Look at a map.
SJC is 4°38' north of SAN and 4°25’ south of CEC.
If a place is almost as close to the Mexican border as it is to the Oregon border, is it really “northern” California?
That’s like saying that Missouri is in the northern part of the contiguous United States.
Divide California into three equal parts by latitude. Which part does the Bay Area fall into?
SJC is 4°38' north of SAN and 4°25’ south of CEC.
If a place is almost as close to the Mexican border as it is to the Oregon border, is it really “northern” California?
That’s like saying that Missouri is in the northern part of the contiguous United States.
Divide California into three equal parts by latitude. Which part does the Bay Area fall into?
Nov 11, 2018, 8:29 pm
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This is starting to get too close for comfort for me. I have PDX-SFO-SIN on 15th (6am ex-PDX and UA29 10.55am to SIN). Can anyone confirm/deny that if the waiver extends to 15th that I can switch my PDX-SFO to the afternoon of 14th, or alternatively that I can SDC to an 11/14 flight after 6am that day?
Nov 11, 2018, 10:16 pm
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This is starting to get too close for comfort for me. I have PDX-SFO-SIN on 15th (6am ex-PDX and UA29 10.55am to SIN). Can anyone confirm/deny that if the waiver extends to 15th that I can switch my PDX-SFO to the afternoon of 14th, or alternatively that I can SDC to an 11/14 flight after 6am that day?
Nov 11, 2018, 11:45 pm
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Thanks again.