Will UA bump J to F to process J GPUs?
Nov 17, 2016, 11:03 am
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Will UA bump J to F to process J GPUs?
Next week I have a friend flying from HKG to SFO on a W fare. I have applied one of my GPUs to his reservation. R = 0 so he is waitlisted. (He has no status so he will be at the bottom of the upgrade list - I've set his expectations low for the upgrade).
Currently J = 9 and F = 9. The seat map shows J almost full (one seat open) and F pretty much wide open (one seat taken).
I understand this since UA is happy to oversell J and just bump people to F as needed.
My question is: at the gate will they bump paying J customers to F in order to process GPUs from Y to J?
Currently J = 9 and F = 9. The seat map shows J almost full (one seat open) and F pretty much wide open (one seat taken).
I understand this since UA is happy to oversell J and just bump people to F as needed.
My question is: at the gate will they bump paying J customers to F in order to process GPUs from Y to J?
Nov 17, 2016, 11:05 am
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Next week I have a friend flying from HKG to SFO on a W fare. I have applied one of my GPUs to his reservation. R = 0 so he is waitlisted. (He has no status so he will be at the bottom of the upgrade list - I've set his expectations low for the upgrade).
Currently J = 9 and F = 9. The seat map shows J almost full (one seat open) and F pretty much wide open (one seat taken).
I understand this since UA is happy to oversell J and just bump people to F as needed.
My question is: at the gate will they bump paying J customers to F in order to process GPUs from Y to J?
Currently J = 9 and F = 9. The seat map shows J almost full (one seat open) and F pretty much wide open (one seat taken).
I understand this since UA is happy to oversell J and just bump people to F as needed.
My question is: at the gate will they bump paying J customers to F in order to process GPUs from Y to J?
Nov 17, 2016, 11:15 am
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Nov 17, 2016, 11:16 am
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Hmmm.. not quite. If J is oversold they will bump J pax to F but to accommodate J pax. I have seen Y to J upgrades get processed for any remaining J seats... but your friend has little chance due to status.
Nov 17, 2016, 11:19 am
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UA will op-up to handle the oversold situation but not to create space for upgraders. If J is oversold, some may get 3 class F but not Y passengers will get J if all J is filled.
Nov 17, 2016, 11:23 am
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No. Never. Here's what will happen (you can watch it all on the app):
1) 1 or 2 paid J passengers will upgrade to F, allowing one or two to move up from Y.
2) The remaining F seats will all be filled with non-paying United employees or their "buddies."
I see this over and over, to HKG and to Europe. The entire Non-rev standby list gets flushed straight into Global First, while lots of paying customers sit in Y with their W fares and their worthless GPUs. I can't remember a 3-class flight where at least half the F cabin wasn't non-rev.
Welcome to United, where employees always come first, and customers last!
1) 1 or 2 paid J passengers will upgrade to F, allowing one or two to move up from Y.
2) The remaining F seats will all be filled with non-paying United employees or their "buddies."
I see this over and over, to HKG and to Europe. The entire Non-rev standby list gets flushed straight into Global First, while lots of paying customers sit in Y with their W fares and their worthless GPUs. I can't remember a 3-class flight where at least half the F cabin wasn't non-rev.
Welcome to United, where employees always come first, and customers last!
Nov 17, 2016, 11:48 am
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I am a little unclear; can you recommend a different strategy? Would it be better to leave an unlimited amount of unsold J inventory available for upgrade?
Nov 17, 2016, 12:04 pm
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Nov 17, 2016, 12:44 pm
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[Off-topic discussion edited by Moderator.]
Last edited by Ocn Vw 1K; Nov 17, 2016 at 3:03 pm Reason: See note above.
Nov 17, 2016, 2:39 pm
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Put more clearly - United should take the cash/miles/upgrades instead of giving the space to NRSAs for free.
Nov 17, 2016, 2:47 pm
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The alternative is to upgrade J to F to create space for Y pax with upgrades to J pending. The non-revs can take the Y seats that they would receive anyway if premium cabin space is full.
Put more clearly - United should take the cash/miles/upgrades instead of giving the space to NRSAs for free.
Put more clearly - United should take the cash/miles/upgrades instead of giving the space to NRSAs for free.
To the extent that this situation represents a problem, the "solution" is to eliminate GlobalFirst. Good news -- Oscar is on it!
Nov 17, 2016, 3:07 pm
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Moderator note
A growing discussion about the salary and relative pay and benefits of those who travel as non-revs has been deleted or edited. Those posts can find a home in one of many apt, general threads about non-rev travel.
Let's keep this thread more finely focused on the moving up of J to F in order to process those in Economy who are waitlisted for a J upgrade. Thanks, Ocn Vw 1K, Moderator.
Let's keep this thread more finely focused on the moving up of J to F in order to process those in Economy who are waitlisted for a J upgrade. Thanks, Ocn Vw 1K, Moderator.
Nov 17, 2016, 3:13 pm
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No. Never. Here's what will happen (you can watch it all on the app):
1) 1 or 2 paid J passengers will upgrade to F, allowing one or two to move up from Y.
2) The remaining F seats will all be filled with non-paying United employees or their "buddies."
I see this over and over, to HKG and to Europe. The entire Non-rev standby list gets flushed straight into Global First, while lots of paying customers sit in Y with their W fares and their worthless GPUs. I can't remember a 3-class flight where at least half the F cabin wasn't non-rev.
Welcome to United, where employees always come first, and customers last!
1) 1 or 2 paid J passengers will upgrade to F, allowing one or two to move up from Y.
2) The remaining F seats will all be filled with non-paying United employees or their "buddies."
I see this over and over, to HKG and to Europe. The entire Non-rev standby list gets flushed straight into Global First, while lots of paying customers sit in Y with their W fares and their worthless GPUs. I can't remember a 3-class flight where at least half the F cabin wasn't non-rev.
Welcome to United, where employees always come first, and customers last!
Nov 17, 2016, 5:12 pm
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I find it difficult to believe that a GS, on paid J, on the upgrade list could be bypassed for NRSA travel. This is simply untrue and not how the system works.
Can you provide the flight date?
Nov 17, 2016, 7:36 pm
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Yeah - whenever I've seen this the NRSAs are on the WL until they clear it at the gate. Perhaps they were some positive space folks?