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There are two versions of this configuration. They have the same number of seats in each cabin, however the rear lavatory configuration is different.

United's website now refers to these configurations as Version 3 and Version 4.

Version 3: United Domestic 777 "High Density" Configuration ("Version 3")



Version 4: United Domestic 777 "High Density" Configuration ("Version 4")
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Old Jul 14, 2015, 8:26 am
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Originally Posted by EWR764

My experience in longhaul E+ is that about 50% of the time, I have an empty middle next to me (with some strategic advance seat selection). I am definitely wary about reducing the size of the cabin and ending up in regular Y on a late booking, which is not uncommon on DL or AA with smaller cabin footprints.
I'm not tall, so I value shoulder room more than leg room.

These days it seems like no matter which way I turn, UA is driving me to the competiton.
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Old Jul 14, 2015, 9:13 am
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Originally Posted by nyr2299
The irony of all this is that despite comments to Wall Street about capacity discipline, they are planning on adding a lot of capacity domestically:

- The 777's and 757's to domestic routes
- increasing the capacity on the 777's to 3-4-3
- Removing the 50 seat RJ's and putting in 75 seat RJ's and / or 320's 737
- Other than the 757 domestic planes and the 767 ghetto birds, I dont see them retiring any aircraft (and even these jets dont appear to be going anywhere anytime soon), ERJ's aside.

All this and I am willing to bet they will try to maintain frequency. My guess is that they are adding 10% capacity to the fleet over the next 3 years - 3% growth in ASM's per year.
It seems that the handful of analysts I have read have disregarded what management has been saying about capacity discipline and instead looked at plans like above to grow wary of United and at least one other member of the oligopoly (DL?).
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Old Jul 14, 2015, 10:35 am
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Originally Posted by luckypierre
It seems that the handful of analysts I have read have disregarded what management has been saying about capacity discipline and instead looked at plans like above to grow wary of United and at least one other member of the oligopoly (DL?).
Southwest's previous growth projections (which they have since walked back) tipped off the latest round of analyst panic about capacity discipline.

United's consolidated system capacity growth is small, but the interesting thing to note is that mainline growth is actually strong, about 4-6% this year. Most of this is offset by a regional capacity cut, driven by 50-seat retirement and the shift of more operations from UAX to mainline. This is generally a good things for travelers, as more mainline moves into former UAX markets and 76-seater deliveries increase.
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Old Jul 14, 2015, 10:39 am
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Originally Posted by nyr2299
The 777's and 757's to domestic routes
Maybe my prayers have been answered for phx-lax flights


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Old Jul 14, 2015, 1:46 pm
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Originally Posted by halls120
I'm not tall, so I value shoulder room more than leg room.

These days it seems like no matter which way I turn, UA is driving me to the competiton.
well you can switch to AA with 10 across or Air Canada 10 across with slim seats a reduction of bathrooms, and even worse a new airline call Rouge.
AC actually stuffs 48 more passengers on its 787-900, than UA.
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Old Jul 14, 2015, 1:56 pm
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Originally Posted by why fly
well you can switch to AA with 10 across or Air Canada 10 across with slim seats a reduction of bathrooms, and even worse a new airline call Rouge.
AC actually stuffs 48 more passengers on its 787-900, than UA.
True, but I won't fly them, either. Or AF on their 10 across on 77Ws.

I'll do just fine TATL on AAs 777s with MCE 9 across, DL on their 767 and A330s, BA on their 777s with 9 across, or KLM on their A330s, or SAS on their A330s, or OS on their 767.
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Old Jul 14, 2015, 4:16 pm
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Originally Posted by EWR764
In addition to Hawaii, this is probably a fair estimate of where the reconfigured birds will end up. 3-4-3 in Y () and flat beds up front (^).
The hawaii/domestic 777 aren't and won't be lie-flat up front -- 20+ year old barcaloungers.
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Old Jul 14, 2015, 5:17 pm
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Originally Posted by halls120
I'll do just fine TATL on AAs 777s with MCE 9 across, DL on their 767 and A330s, BA on their 777s with 9 across, or KLM on their A330s, or SAS on their A330s, or OS on their 767.
You're still safe on DLs 777s and 77Ls with 3x3x3 in coach, Comfort+ or not.
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Old Jul 14, 2015, 5:43 pm
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Originally Posted by mduell
The hawaii/domestic 777 aren't and won't be lie-flat up front -- 20+ year old barcaloungers.
huh? Everything we've heard is that they will have IPTE J up front.

and the barcas are from circa-2000, so not "20+ years old".
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Old Jul 14, 2015, 10:00 pm
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Originally Posted by halls120
If UA had any regard for customer comfort, it would retain 3-3-3 for E+ on the 773. But we all know that consideration for the customer isn't a high priority for the current management team, don't we?
The best customer comfort would be NH's 2-4-3 not 3-3-3 !

However, despite NH having 2-4-3 config on most of their 77W, some of their 77W are also 3-4-3, and all their domestic 772 and 773 are 3-4-3 as well.



Originally Posted by mduell
The hawaii/domestic 777 aren't and won't be lie-flat up front -- 20+ year old barcaloungers.
You obviously haven't flown PMUA for that long, if there was barcaloungers that recline that far back in 1998 when I first flew UA, I would be in heaven.

Barcaloungers introduced when PMUA made the F suite (the one that use cassette tapes for movies), so it wasn't that old.

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Old Jul 15, 2015, 12:21 am
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Originally Posted by ORDnHKG
You obviously haven't flown PMUA for that long, if there was barcaloungers that recline that far back in 1998 when I first flew UA, I would be in heaven.

Barcaloungers introduced when PMUA made the F suite (the one that use cassette tapes for movies), so it wasn't that old.
They definitely had the barcaloungers by 1999 or 2000.
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Old Jul 15, 2015, 12:38 am
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Originally Posted by Kacee
They definitely had the barcaloungers by 1999 or 2000.
United First Suite installation was completed on 100% of the 777s (47) and 744s (44) by August 1999. Those were the days... ^
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Old Jul 15, 2015, 7:55 am
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Originally Posted by tuolumne
United First Suite installation was completed on 100% of the 777s (47) and 744s (44) by August 1999. Those were the days... ^
Actually, no. I was on ORD-NRT 744 with the non-suite first class in April 2000. Was bummed to have missed the suite at that time.
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Old Jul 15, 2015, 8:17 am
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Originally Posted by mduell
The hawaii/domestic 777 aren't and won't be lie-flat up front -- 20+ year old barcaloungers.
I understand the plan is to ultimately get the XA birds into the new domestic configuration (former XD), which will have lieflat seats up front. The final 777 fleet composition would be 19 two-cabin A-market 772 for high-density domestic/Hawaii/Euro/SA markets, 22 two-cabin sCO 772ER, 33 3-cabin sUA 772ER and 10 two-cabin 773ER.

Originally Posted by tuolumne
744s (44)
UAL from 1997-2001 had quite the fleet.

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Old Jul 15, 2015, 8:30 am
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Originally Posted by EWR764
I understand the plan is to ultimately get the XA birds into the new domestic configuration (former XD), which will have lieflat seats up front. The final 777 fleet composition would be 19 two-cabin A-market 772 for high-density domestic/Hawaii/Euro/SA markets, 22 two-cabin sCO 772ER, 33 3-cabin sUA 772ER and 10 two-cabin 773ER.



UAL from 1997-2001 had quite the fleet.
that would be awesome to have layflats on A--market 772planes!
apparently the new 773ER will have the new business class seats.
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