November 2014 United (UA) Traffic Results
Dec 10, 2014, 5:23 am
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November 2014 United (UA) Traffic Results
I guess this isn't all that surprising.
http://www.foxbusiness.com/markets/2...mestic-routes/
United Airlines said Monday that passenger traffic dipped slightly in November, as travel declined on its domestic flights.
United Continental Holdings Inc. said that passengers flew 15.28 billion miles last month, down 0.3 percent from November 2013. Domestic traffic fell 3.7 percent while international travel rose 3.6 percent.
The figures, which included United Express flights, were close to American Airlines, which said November traffic dipped 0.5 percent, but trailed Southwest Airlines, which posted a 6 percent gain, and Delta, up 5 percent.
United Continental Holdings Inc. said that passengers flew 15.28 billion miles last month, down 0.3 percent from November 2013. Domestic traffic fell 3.7 percent while international travel rose 3.6 percent.
The figures, which included United Express flights, were close to American Airlines, which said November traffic dipped 0.5 percent, but trailed Southwest Airlines, which posted a 6 percent gain, and Delta, up 5 percent.
Dec 10, 2014, 5:36 am
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Dec 10, 2014, 6:55 am
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Isn't this one outcome of UA converting the pmUA domestic 767 and 777s to international service? Those birds have been replaced by smaller 739/738/320/319 on domestic transcons and many Hawaii flights.
Dec 10, 2014, 7:20 am
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"The figures, which included United Express flights, were close to American Airlines, which said November traffic dipped 0.5 percent, but trailed Southwest Airlines, which posted a 6 percent gain, and Delta, up 5 percent. "
I am part of that 5%. Left United mid year for a status challenge on DL. Flew 14 segments on DL in November, previously would have been UA.
When UA switched to Revenue driven miles, there was no reason not to try DL. Thus far, the service is far superior to UA, and the free alcoholic beverages and amenities in Y overseas is icing on the cake.
I'll take older airplanes over, constant cost cutting, and many UA's employees (not all) who seem to feel like service if more of an inconvenience than part of their job..
I am part of that 5%. Left United mid year for a status challenge on DL. Flew 14 segments on DL in November, previously would have been UA.
When UA switched to Revenue driven miles, there was no reason not to try DL. Thus far, the service is far superior to UA, and the free alcoholic beverages and amenities in Y overseas is icing on the cake.
I'll take older airplanes over, constant cost cutting, and many UA's employees (not all) who seem to feel like service if more of an inconvenience than part of their job..
Dec 10, 2014, 8:19 am
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I don't see why we're singling out UA for this ... AA is down even more. And a good chunk of Delta's "growth" can be attributed to their (reckless) expansion at SEA domestically.
DL only increased LF from 79.4% to 80.6% (barely above UA's 79.9%) while international LF dropped 2.5pts from 80.6% to 78.1%, and latin regional LF *imploded* 10.4pts, from 81.1% to 70.7%
One positive arena is cargo. YTD, DL only grew cargo ton mile by a pathetic 0.8% while UA grew a very impressive 12.2%
DL only increased LF from 79.4% to 80.6% (barely above UA's 79.9%) while international LF dropped 2.5pts from 80.6% to 78.1%, and latin regional LF *imploded* 10.4pts, from 81.1% to 70.7%
One positive arena is cargo. YTD, DL only grew cargo ton mile by a pathetic 0.8% while UA grew a very impressive 12.2%
Dec 10, 2014, 8:23 am
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ever heard of a thing called operating margin ? who knows what these pax at SEA look like.
just because you board a ton of pax doesn't mean it's worthwhile.
By your logic, AA would have the worst financial performance since they showed the largest decline .... all while totally ignoring all the components that make up the income statement.
just because you board a ton of pax doesn't mean it's worthwhile.
By your logic, AA would have the worst financial performance since they showed the largest decline .... all while totally ignoring all the components that make up the income statement.
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Dec 10, 2014, 12:43 pm
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ever heard of a thing called operating margin ? who knows what these pax at SEA look like.
just because you board a ton of pax doesn't mean it's worthwhile.
By your logic, AA would have the worst financial performance since they showed the largest decline .... all while totally ignoring all the components that make up the income statement.
just because you board a ton of pax doesn't mean it's worthwhile.
By your logic, AA would have the worst financial performance since they showed the largest decline .... all while totally ignoring all the components that make up the income statement.
DL has said their SEA operation is doing well, and they're looking to expand it further. That doesn't sound reckless.
DL has added significant aircraft capacity domestically, which is currently very profitable. That is likely the cause of DL's growth.
UA needs more domestic planes if it wants DL-style growth.
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Dec 10, 2014, 12:53 pm
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(http://airwaysnews.com/blog/2014/10/...-signs-emerge/)
Do you have a different definition of "worthwhile"? +6% PRASM despite a monster capacity increase sounds pretty worthwhile to me.
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Dec 10, 2014, 2:10 pm
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I don't see why we're singling out UA for this ... AA is down even more. And a good chunk of Delta's "growth" can be attributed to their (reckless) expansion at SEA domestically.
DL only increased LF from 79.4% to 80.6% (barely above UA's 79.9%) while international LF dropped 2.5pts from 80.6% to 78.1%, and latin regional LF *imploded* 10.4pts, from 81.1% to 70.7%
One positive arena is cargo. YTD, DL only grew cargo ton mile by a pathetic 0.8% while UA grew a very impressive 12.2%
DL only increased LF from 79.4% to 80.6% (barely above UA's 79.9%) while international LF dropped 2.5pts from 80.6% to 78.1%, and latin regional LF *imploded* 10.4pts, from 81.1% to 70.7%
One positive arena is cargo. YTD, DL only grew cargo ton mile by a pathetic 0.8% while UA grew a very impressive 12.2%
If you want to cherry pick numbers, how about ones that count?
DL domestic mainline
RPMS +9.6%
LF +3.8%
Of course some of this was due to T-Day Sunday being in Nov this year, but I think UA had the same calendar.
Everybody should have been up this month by a few percent. I can understand the equipment issue with UA. Don't know what the story at AA was.
Dec 10, 2014, 2:19 pm
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Regardless, financial results should be very solid for the 4th quarter due to plummeting fuel prices. Nothing like having your #1 operating cost drop by close to 40% to help the bottom line.